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<v SPEAKER_1>It is the 13th of March, 2026.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I am Corey J.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Mahler, and this is At Any Cost.

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<v SPEAKER_1>This is episode 20, a Q&A episode, and I really do not have any housekeeping.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Just one little point before I get started on the questions here tonight.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I'm also copying some questions over from the chat so that I can get them, if not tonight, at least.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Next time, I don't know that I'll get that, at least all of them tonight.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I have a number of questions prepared and ready to go.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Insofar as the housekeeping goes, the one point is I know that I have been asked a number of times about the issue of beauty and the moral salience of beauty, particularly because of that one post on X that blew up and got 20 million views or something.

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<v SPEAKER_1>At any rate, I wound up writing an article on that.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I'm going to transcribe that hopefully tomorrow and then go ahead and publish that.

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<v SPEAKER_1>That'll be my core answer to the issue of the moral salience of beauty, how that ties into these matters.

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<v SPEAKER_1>So that will be an answer for those of you who have been asking about that.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I'll probably also record something about it in the future, but the article will be the core of my answer to that.

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<v SPEAKER_1>So getting into the questions here, pull up the first one.

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<v SPEAKER_1>In today's political climate, it is evident that liberalism and race realism are incompatible, but this was not always the case.

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<v SPEAKER_1>When we think of a nation like Australia and their federation in 1901, one of the first policies passed was the White Australia Policy.

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<v SPEAKER_1>But the men of that time and the following prime ministers who endorsed this policy wouldn't self-describe as fascists or national socialists.

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<v SPEAKER_1>The men of this time were quite liberal around trade, markets, civil liberties, democracy and other such things.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Was the liberalism of that time something different from the incarnation today, or is it a category error to say that these men were liberal?

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<v SPEAKER_1>Or is it the case that liberalism was intended for a white homogenous society, and when these parameters are not met, the system collapses in on itself?

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<v SPEAKER_1>Additionally, is liberalism a political philosophy worth hanging on to or trying to reinvent or revitalize?

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<v SPEAKER_1>Still just copying over a couple of questions here from the chat to make sure that I get those for next time.

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<v SPEAKER_1>But insofar as liberalism is concerned, I think the fundamental problem is that it rests on the assumption of things that it destroys, in the fullness of time destroys.

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<v SPEAKER_1>And this is similar to what we see with capitalism in the economic sphere, which capitalism and liberalism kind of go hand in hand.

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<v SPEAKER_1>You have, one is, you even mentioned some of the economic aspects of liberalism.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Liberalism is sort of the ideology or the philosophy of capitalism, and capitalism is itself also a bit of an ideology or philosophy, but more the economics of the philosophy.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Obviously, they're related, you can't really extract the one from the other.

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<v SPEAKER_1>But the issue with them is that they rely on all of this groundwork, all of these things that had been built up over a course of at least centuries, in Christendom, under a system that was very much not capitalist or liberal.

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<v SPEAKER_1>And then relying on those things, they basically parasitize them and destroy them, and then eventually the system collapses because it can't sustain itself.

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<v SPEAKER_1>It doesn't actually create the sort of conditions it needs to exist.

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<v SPEAKER_1>It exploits the conditions that existed prior to it, due to other systems that preceded it.

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<v SPEAKER_1>So, the short answer is no.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I don't believe that trying to revive liberalism or bring back classical liberalism or whatever it happens to be is a good idea.

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<v SPEAKER_1>There is a particularly noxious atheist on X who happens to be not exactly a neighbor, but he lives nearby close enough that he's sort of a neighbor for me.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Forty minutes away, thankfully, decent distance, but that's his whole thing.

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<v SPEAKER_1>That's his whole schtick is he's a classical liberal and wants to bring back those policies.

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<v SPEAKER_1>And you can see exactly where those sort of men end up, where that leads.

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<v SPEAKER_1>The sort of men who are pushing for classical liberalism are the ones who generally lead a dissolute life and want to encourage others to do the same.

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<v SPEAKER_1>So, regardless of what it may have meant for those men, and for those men at the time, it did not mean what it means today.

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<v SPEAKER_1>There's some overlap, of course, insofar as the economics is concerned, tons of overlap there.

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<v SPEAKER_1>But insofar as the social policy and the morality and things like that, insofar as those are concerned, significantly less overlap.

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<v SPEAKER_1>But like I said at the outset, I think the problem is that the system itself naturally leads to those consequences.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I think that you end up there as just a natural outcome of pursuing liberalism, because what liberalism ultimately does is it tears down all of those boundaries.

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<v SPEAKER_1>It tears down Chesterton's fence, basically.

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<v SPEAKER_1>It tears down everything that not only made it possible for that system to sit atop what it had not constructed, but also that makes it possible for the sort of society that can exercise that in a reasonable fashion.

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<v SPEAKER_1>It makes it impossible for that to exist for any length of time.

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<v SPEAKER_1>And in fact, it is the cause, it is the solvent that dissolves that society.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I can't think of a single instance in which you can point to liberalizing things in our society and the outcome has been good.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I don't think that liberalizing the interactions between men and women has led to anything good.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I don't think liberalizing the fashion for women has led to anything good.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I don't think that liberalizing behavior in public spaces has led to anything good.

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<v SPEAKER_1>And everyone in this chat could go on and do that for dozens, if not hundreds of things.

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<v SPEAKER_1>So those men were mistaken, I believe, in what they were pursuing.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I don't think most of them were doing it for evil or nefarious purposes.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I think they were simply mistaken.

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<v SPEAKER_1>But we have the advantage of hindsight.

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<v SPEAKER_1>We should not repeat their errors.

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<v SPEAKER_1>We know that it was deeply unwise, that it was something they shouldn't have done.

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<v SPEAKER_1>We shouldn't give it another go.

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<v SPEAKER_1>That's sort of like saying, that wasn't real communism, right?

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<v SPEAKER_1>Hear that all the time from leftists.

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<v SPEAKER_1>And you hear people today trying to say, well, it's not real capitalism.

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<v SPEAKER_1>No, what we have is real capitalism.

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<v SPEAKER_1>It's just the natural evolution of capitalism.

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<v SPEAKER_1>It's late-stage capitalism.

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<v SPEAKER_1>It's late-stage liberalism.

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<v SPEAKER_1>So, no, I don't think that we should try to pursue that.

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<v SPEAKER_1>And I think that anyone who does, fundamentally does not understand the things that are facing us and what needs to be done to address those problems.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Going back to, you know, late 1900s, first half of the 19...

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<v SPEAKER_1>or late 1800s, first half of the 1900s liberalism, that's not going to solve our problems.

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<v SPEAKER_1>In fact, given how bad things are now, it is just going to exacerbate them significantly.

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<v SPEAKER_1>And of course, there's also a great number of malefactors who are pushing for it.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I mentioned one.

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<v SPEAKER_1>The next question, question two, is a related question, as soon as it comes up here.

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<v SPEAKER_1>The tab is taking a second to load.

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<v SPEAKER_1>At any rate, I remembered the question, so I will just go over it instead of specifically reading it.

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<v SPEAKER_1>The question is about On the Jews and Their Lies, and which one, of course, now it loads, and which one you should purchase, basically.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Which one is the best copy of it?

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<v SPEAKER_1>I'll read the question now that it's actually loaded.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I was hoping that you could speak about Luther's On the Jews and Their Lies.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Unrelated to recent events, I started reading this from Luther's Works, volume 47.

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<v SPEAKER_1>In this case, it is Luther's Works, the American edition, that is jointly produced by the LCMS, which is Concordia Publishing House, and unfortunately, ELCA, which is Fortress Press.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Historically wasn't as bad of a collaboration.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Now ELCA has gone so far off the rails.

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<v SPEAKER_1>It's unfortunate that they're working with them, but thus far, they haven't done anything destructive to the American edition, so I guess pray that continues.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I was speaking with someone about this, and he said that he had read it also, but after speaking further, I found out that we read different versions.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Unfortunately, those exist.

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<v SPEAKER_1>His version was only about 40 pages, whereas the one in the AE is about 170.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I have heard that this is some, I've heard there is some disagreement on the text, whether it's from Luther, accusations ranging from that Luther didn't really write this document, to Luther attacking the prophets, Jeremiah in particular.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I am about three quarters of the way through it myself, and I have not found anything that would indicate that this did not come from Luther.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I agree on that point.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I could see Luther being taken out of context, given his liberal use of sarcasm, particularly Germanic sarcasm, which escapes many when they are reading.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Personally, I have found the text underwhelming, given the reputation it has.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I think that's fair.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Many think that because of the title, On the Jews and Their Lies, it's just going to be some full-blown polemic, just decrying the evils of the Jews and basically saying that, you know, we should destroy them, etc.

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<v SPEAKER_1>If you want that, read his letters to his wife and his final sermon.

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<v SPEAKER_1>But, insofar as On the Jews and Their Lies is concerned, it's primarily a theological treatise.

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<v SPEAKER_1>It is against the Jews.

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<v SPEAKER_1>It is polemic.

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<v SPEAKER_1>He does make frequent use of sarcasm in a particularly German way, but it's really not sensationalist like most people expect it to be.

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<v SPEAKER_1>The 40-page versions, and the ones in that sort of vein usually run about that length, are basically sort of pamphlet versions of it, reduced down to often just the polemical bits, removing the theology.

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<v SPEAKER_1>And those were popular decades ago.

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<v SPEAKER_1>They're not very good.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I don't bother with those.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Why?

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<v SPEAKER_1>The actual one's not that long.

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<v SPEAKER_1>The full length of it, the Weimar edition, is about 65,000 words.

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<v SPEAKER_1>And that's basically the equivalent in the AE.

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<v SPEAKER_1>So if you are going to read it, the American edition is a good option.

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<v SPEAKER_1>It is, unfortunately, not available for free.

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<v SPEAKER_1>There is, insofar as I'm aware, no widely available PDF of it.

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<v SPEAKER_1>No one has yet made that available.

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<v SPEAKER_1>So you're going to have to pay the combination there, CPH, Fortress Press, I don't know how they divide it up, but however that works, 50 to 60 bucks.

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<v SPEAKER_1>If you know someone who has a subscription to Luther's Works from, for instance, CPH, that person, he can order volumes at a discount.

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<v SPEAKER_1>So if you have a friend, a pastor, someone who has that, your pastor might, if you're Lutheran, ask him to order you a copy, he can get it a little cheaper.

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<v SPEAKER_1>So you can maybe get it for 45 or get it used for less, but unfortunately, they have not done what they should and made it freely available.

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<v SPEAKER_1>So, yes, the volume is not going to be as sensationalist as you think.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Yes, the American edition, volume 47, specifically, is probably the one you should read.

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<v SPEAKER_1>There aren't major concerns about it.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I am not fond of the man who edited that volume.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I do not have any, I have not personally gone through and checked the translation against the German, but I don't have any hard evidence showing he played games with this.

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<v SPEAKER_1>But I know that he was friendlier with the Jews than a Christian should be, certainly than a Lutheran should be, certainly the Lutheran editing this volume of Luther.

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<v SPEAKER_1>But he's ultimately not the man who translated it.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Bertram translated it, I believe was the gentleman's last name.

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<v SPEAKER_1>The other man who edited it, the editor is the one who has some questions there.

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<v SPEAKER_1>But again, I don't have hard evidence that he did anything wrong.

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<v SPEAKER_1>As far as I know, the volume is reliable.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I've read it, nothing stood out as wrong to me, nothing clashed with what I know from the German, so it's probably fine.

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<v SPEAKER_1>If you are concerned about any particular passage, you can always just take the German and drop it into an AI and get a literal translation of the German.

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<v SPEAKER_1>That's going to be sufficient to see if the editor played any games there.

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<v SPEAKER_1>But basically, yes, that's the option you want if you're going to read it in English, and it's not going to be what people have built it up to be because it's a theological treatise.

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<v SPEAKER_1>It's not just polemic.

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<v SPEAKER_1>It has polemical elements.

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<v SPEAKER_1>It is a polemic as well, but it's not exclusively that.

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<v SPEAKER_1>But yes, to emphasize what I said at the beginning, to repeat it, I do believe that Luther wrote it.

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<v SPEAKER_1>It sounds just like Luther.

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<v SPEAKER_1>It sounds like his other polemics.

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<v SPEAKER_1>You can read ones against, for instance, Henry VIII.

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<v SPEAKER_1>He has a polemic against him in...

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<v SPEAKER_1>That was a more recent volume.

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<v SPEAKER_1>It's on my shelf, so I can't remember the number.

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<v SPEAKER_1>The next question, I'm actually going to sort of punt this one, I guess.

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<v SPEAKER_1>But I am in a position where I am increasingly asked to give counsel to people regarding a wide variety of issues, marriage, lack of marriage, addictions, anxiety, etc.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Often these problems and the requisite counsel are relatively simple, but sometimes something complex comes up, and I am not as thoroughly equipped to deal with it as I would like to be.

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<v SPEAKER_1>The trained and credentialed people to whom I would typically be advised to refer them, pastors, psychologists, therapists, are often questionable, and I feel I'd be doing them a disservice by doing so.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Do you have any advice or recommendations for books or other resources that would be helpful?

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<v SPEAKER_1>Both secular and Christian works on the subject are often reductive in the ways expounded in the Addicted to Psychologizing Episode of Stone Choir.

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<v SPEAKER_1>And then the reason given, given the failings of the churches, this is a task that Christian men will have to more often bear.

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<v SPEAKER_1>That's true.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I'll say a few things about it, but I'm going to make a note for myself.

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<v SPEAKER_1>This is something where it just makes more sense if I add this to the show notes, so that you can actually click through and find the resources that makes a little more sense than my just listing books.

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<v SPEAKER_1>And also, I want to spend the time to look at it a little more thoroughly, since I have kept up with the psychology literature and those things to some degree, but I haven't been heavily invested in that in 12 years or so.

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<v SPEAKER_1>So I would like to do a refresher before I give too many recommendations on that.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Yes, I answered previous questions about modalities that are permissible, or at least not entirely suspect, when it comes to psychology and therapy and things like that.

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<v SPEAKER_1>That was in a previous Q&A episode.

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<v SPEAKER_1>So it's related to that.

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<v SPEAKER_1>But as far as specific resources are concerned, I'll put that in the show notes.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I'll try and go over that this coming week.

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<v SPEAKER_1>But just sort of a basic starting point for a lot of people, just recommend some changes in behavior.

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<v SPEAKER_1>A lot of the stuff where you're going to run into it, just go do some exercise.

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<v SPEAKER_1>It's particularly for men.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Lift something heavy, go for a walk.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Your mental health is going to be so much better if you just get in a little bit of exercise and then lift something heavy.

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<v SPEAKER_1>It's pretty simple.

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<v SPEAKER_1>A lot of this stuff seems really complicated and really difficult, and some of it is.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I won't say that it isn't, but a lot of the system is really simple.

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<v SPEAKER_1>God made what it takes for men to be happy a pretty short list of things and relatively achievable.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Part of it is you need to be in decent physical shape, not, you know, great physical shape.

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<v SPEAKER_1>If you can achieve that, by all means, go for it.

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<v SPEAKER_1>But get in a little bit of cardio, lift something heavy, do something you enjoy.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Don't spend all of your time staring at the anxiety box, whichever one it is you prefer, your iPhone, your TV, whatever it is.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Because go out and do something else.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Those are sort of the baseline recommendations, and those things are free, practically.

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<v SPEAKER_1>That's where you want to start.

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<v SPEAKER_1>And then from there, obviously, you can make recommendations out of God's word.

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<v SPEAKER_1>You know, God cares for the sparrow, certainly he cares for you, and things like that.

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<v SPEAKER_1>You're aware of those things.

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<v SPEAKER_1>So that's some of the Christian approach.

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<v SPEAKER_1>But for specific resources for reading on it and understanding some of the underlying theory and things like that, I will, again, put that in the show notes.

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<v SPEAKER_1>So look for that in the coming week or two.

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<v SPEAKER_1>The next question is question four.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I don't know why my form is being a little slow.

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<v SPEAKER_1>There we go.

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<v SPEAKER_1>For those of us who aspire to marry one day, which should be most men, how should we go about navigating laws regarding marriage?

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<v SPEAKER_1>For example, what is your opinion on prenuptial agreements in light of the 80% of divorces being initiated by women?

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<v SPEAKER_1>Is it permissible to be de facto married, rightly ordered without involving the state in your marriage, for example, getting a marriage license?

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<v SPEAKER_1>Do you think it would be worth moving to a state with better marriage laws?

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<v SPEAKER_1>For example, Louisiana, Arkansas, and Arizona permit covenant marriages that enable the married couple to legally waive the possibility of no-fault divorce, permitting divorce only in cases of adultery or abandonment.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Yes, it is definitely better if you can be somewhere that has better laws.

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<v SPEAKER_1>That doesn't mean you necessarily move just for that, you know.

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<v SPEAKER_1>California is going to be a great example, since I'm a California attorney, and I used to live in California.

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<v SPEAKER_1>California marriage laws are really bad in terms of how they are enforced.

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<v SPEAKER_1>On the books, they're not as bad.

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<v SPEAKER_1>This is actually a really significant problem in California.

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<v SPEAKER_1>On the books, California's laws are often pretty good.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Sometimes they have some cruft in things that have been added in recent years, but they're generally not that bad.

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<v SPEAKER_1>It's the enforcement, because the courts are insane and the judges are evil.

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<v SPEAKER_1>So you're going to have to go to an attorney who specializes in the law in your state with regard to this, because there will be things you can do in some states that you cannot do in other states.

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<v SPEAKER_1>And so what is permissible in a prenuptial agreement is going to be a matter of state law.

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<v SPEAKER_1>It's not a matter of, there's no national standard for that.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I do not object to prenuptial agreements per se.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I would object to the inclusion of certain things in them.

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<v SPEAKER_1>And so that's going to be a matter of ensuring that the covenants, the specific clauses in the prenuptial agreement are consonant with Christian morality.

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<v SPEAKER_1>And so just as an example, your state may or may not permit this.

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<v SPEAKER_1>But if your state permits it, by all means have a prenuptial agreement that says, in the case of infidelity, the party at fault gets nothing.

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<v SPEAKER_1>The children go 100% to the party not at fault, if your state permits that.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Your state may very well not.

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<v SPEAKER_1>It's probably kind of likely that they will have some caveats there.

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<v SPEAKER_1>But things like that are perfectly permissible, because that's how it should be in our laws.

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<v SPEAKER_1>So what you're doing is, as a matter of private law, which is all a contract is, it's private law, as a matter of private law, you're filling in the gaps in the public law, and you're bringing it more in line with the moral law insofar as you are able to do so.

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<v SPEAKER_1>That's perfectly permissible.

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<v SPEAKER_1>But no, you can't include in your prenuptial agreement, if I decide I don't like you anymore, I can just tell you to leave and you get nothing.

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<v SPEAKER_1>That's not morally acceptable.

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<v SPEAKER_1>You can't do that.

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<v SPEAKER_1>So it's going to be a matter of what your state permits, and then what is in line with Christian morality.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Just make sure that you line up with both of those.

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<v SPEAKER_1>And again, you're going to have to involve an attorney because this is going to be specific to your state.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Yes, I recognize that's sort of the general advice you get from most attorneys is, get an attorney's advice, right?

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<v SPEAKER_1>But that is the reality for certain parts of the law, particularly this one.

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<v SPEAKER_1>So I would like to comment on the divorce rates.

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<v SPEAKER_1>As well, because the divorce rates look a lot worse than they actually are.

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<v SPEAKER_1>And the reason they look worse than they actually are is because the people who are pushing the narrative hate marriage, they want you to despair.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Only ever look at the statistics for first marriages.

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<v SPEAKER_1>That's the game they play.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Because what they'll say is they'll say, oh, this giant percentage of marriages end in divorce because it's the woman who's had 15 husbands.

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<v SPEAKER_1>They don't throw out the outlier.

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<v SPEAKER_1>So if you're going to look at those data, make sure you're looking at first marriages and maybe second marriages.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Don't include the people who've had six, seven marriages.

00:23:02.404 --> 00:23:07.364
<v SPEAKER_1>That's going to throw off the actual relevant answer.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Because those people are horrible outliers, and you don't want to include them.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Because unless you're going to be the kind of person who is going to have seven marriages, then that's not really particularly relevant to you that the person who has a sixth marriage often also gets divorced and has a seventh.

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<v SPEAKER_1>So just recognize they play games, so those statistics, it's, you know, the standard thing, lies, damned lies and statistics, right?

00:23:32.024 --> 00:23:35.364
<v SPEAKER_1>So you have to be aware of how they play these games.

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<v SPEAKER_1>And that is very much done with the marriage and divorce rates.

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<v SPEAKER_1>With regard to marrying but not being married in the eyes of the state, so in other words, going and having the church ceremony, but not being married according to what the state considers a marriage, I would generally say you should avoid doing that unless there is...

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<v SPEAKER_1>I won't give a categorical blanket, no, you must not do that, it's always wrong.

00:24:09.244 --> 00:24:21.304
<v SPEAKER_1>If the state is so evil and corrupt, that the best thing you can do is not have the state involved at all, the state's going to involve itself anyway, just so you know.

00:24:21.304 --> 00:24:28.604
<v SPEAKER_1>But if you can minimize that involvement under those circumstances, I don't think that that's morally impermissible.

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<v SPEAKER_1>You know, if you're in the Soviet Union, and somehow it's going to decrease your odds of being sent to the Gulag, then by all means, don't tell the state.

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<v SPEAKER_1>But most of the time, under current circumstances in our country, in the United States, it's not really going to benefit you in any significant way to have the church, which the church may not even sign off on your marriage if you don't go through the proper process so-called.

00:24:59.964 --> 00:25:03.104
<v SPEAKER_1>It's not going to benefit you significantly, if at all.

00:25:03.104 --> 00:25:10.984
<v SPEAKER_1>In many cases, it may actually make things more difficult for you and harm you in terms of the outcome you want to achieve.

00:25:10.984 --> 00:25:19.244
<v SPEAKER_1>In a lot of states, it's not going to protect you with regard to personal property or anything like that, if you should happen to get divorced.

00:25:19.244 --> 00:25:26.304
<v SPEAKER_1>Again, a question for an attorney who's actually versed in your state law, since I do not know the law of marriage in every state.

00:25:26.304 --> 00:25:29.104
<v SPEAKER_1>I've never practiced that sort of law.

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<v SPEAKER_1>But odds are not going to significantly benefit you, not going to be something that you necessarily want to pursue.

00:25:37.004 --> 00:25:42.744
<v SPEAKER_1>And I don't think that our circumstances are bad enough to make it compelling that you should do that.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I think follow the ordinary procedure, do the thing that is considered the right way to do it, and take advantage of pre-marriage counseling if it is available, and you have a good pastor.

00:25:57.904 --> 00:26:02.264
<v SPEAKER_1>Talk to couples who are in your church and have been married for 40, 50, 60 years.

00:26:03.624 --> 00:26:21.404
<v SPEAKER_1>Make sure that you are purposeful in what you are trying to do with that marriage, and that both you and your wife understand, your future wife in this case, understand this is for better or worse, in sickness or health, until death do us part.

00:26:21.404 --> 00:26:24.984
<v SPEAKER_1>Make sure you're both on the same page, understand exactly what it is you're doing.

00:26:24.984 --> 00:26:28.504
<v SPEAKER_1>That's going to go a long way toward resolving these issues.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Part of it is just choosing the right person up front, right?

00:26:31.784 --> 00:26:33.104
<v SPEAKER_1>That's the reality of it.

00:26:33.104 --> 00:26:40.384
<v SPEAKER_1>That doesn't make it easier to do, but you can take some steps to try and sort of hedge your odds, right?

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<v SPEAKER_1>To make it more likely you've chosen a woman who's going to make a good and loyal wife.

00:26:46.764 --> 00:26:52.824
<v SPEAKER_1>And for the women listening, you've chosen a man who's going to make a good and loyal husband, right?

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<v SPEAKER_1>Take advantage of the resources you have available to you.

00:27:01.027 --> 00:27:05.447
<v SPEAKER_1>I did see someone ask about taking questions from live chat.

00:27:05.447 --> 00:27:10.527
<v SPEAKER_1>This is not actually going to be one of the numbered questions, since I'm just answering it in passing.

00:27:10.527 --> 00:27:15.567
<v SPEAKER_1>Of course, the transcript will go ahead and number them wrong.

00:27:15.567 --> 00:27:17.407
<v SPEAKER_1>But yes, I do look at the chat.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I often will take them and then answer them in the future if I do not have time to get to them tonight, because I try to keep this around an hour.

00:27:26.727 --> 00:27:29.727
<v SPEAKER_1>I often run over, but I try not to run over by too much.

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<v SPEAKER_1>In part, because the transcript then runs over, and then I have to split the transcript on the form in other places, and it just makes it a little bit more of a mess to handle.

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<v SPEAKER_1>But the next question, question number five, this issue has been bothering me for some time.

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<v SPEAKER_1>For reading and scripture memorization, I use the ESV.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Do you know why the choice was made not to capitalize the pronouns which refer to God when they were producing that translation?

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<v SPEAKER_1>In either formal or casual writing, shouldn't the pronouns which refer to God be capitalized to be the most reverent we can be?

00:28:09.467 --> 00:28:12.167
<v SPEAKER_1>This has bothered me for years.

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<v SPEAKER_1>That actually bothers me as well, and I think it's obvious from my writing that my personal preference is certainty to capitalize all of the pronouns and pretty much all the nouns that refer to God.

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<v SPEAKER_1>So, this has really two different answers.

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<v SPEAKER_1>The one is the answer they always give and sort of the practical answer, and then the second is the real answer, right?

00:28:40.967 --> 00:28:49.207
<v SPEAKER_1>The first answer is that capitalizing the pronouns that refer to God is actually relatively novel.

00:28:49.207 --> 00:28:58.127
<v SPEAKER_1>I think the earliest translation that did it in English goes back to maybe the 1800s, maybe the 1700s.

00:28:58.127 --> 00:29:00.187
<v SPEAKER_1>It's not very far back.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Notably, the 1611 King James did not.

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<v SPEAKER_1>And so, people who are reading the King James and saying, well, the King James, yes, your King James does, the original did not.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Of course, you go back far enough and English turns back into German, and then it's capitalizing things again, because German capitalizes nouns, but not pronouns, which is another thing worth noting.

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<v SPEAKER_1>In Luther's translation, for instance, in Luther, no one is going to accuse Luther of being irreverent with regard to his view of the transcendent God, right?

00:29:33.647 --> 00:29:37.907
<v SPEAKER_1>He didn't capitalize God's pronouns, because German doesn't do that.

00:29:37.907 --> 00:29:49.027
<v SPEAKER_1>Now, he did write the German equivalent of the Lorde Herr in all caps, which I believe is part of how we wound up with that convention.

00:29:49.027 --> 00:29:55.627
<v SPEAKER_1>When translating the Lorde in the Old Testament, it is in small caps in many English Bibles.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I believe that was following Luther's...

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<v SPEAKER_1>Basically, he started that convention with his first translation of the scriptures into German.

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<v SPEAKER_1>So insofar as the capitalization in the ESV and other such translation is concerned, the reason that the translators will give for not doing so, there are four or five, but the two core reasons, the two most important, most salient reasons.

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<v SPEAKER_1>One, it's just not something that we really have historically done in English.

00:30:28.427 --> 00:30:35.767
<v SPEAKER_1>It was something that people started doing, but it doesn't go back very far, and they just stopped doing it.

00:30:35.767 --> 00:30:39.327
<v SPEAKER_1>And then also, there is no style guide that recommends it.

00:30:39.327 --> 00:30:43.527
<v SPEAKER_1>They love to appeal to that, you know, take that or leave it, whatever that's of a value to you, right?

00:30:44.767 --> 00:30:52.527
<v SPEAKER_1>If you're following a style guide, then you follow the style guide, unless you make your own subversion of it, right?

00:30:52.527 --> 00:31:00.667
<v SPEAKER_1>The other reason they'll give, and this one I actually find more compelling, but I don't find it sufficiently compelling to change my stance.

00:31:00.667 --> 00:31:10.647
<v SPEAKER_1>They will say that if you are deciding to capitalize or not capitalize a pronoun, you are in addition to making the translation choices, right?

00:31:10.647 --> 00:31:13.007
<v SPEAKER_1>Which the translator has to make translation choices.

00:31:13.887 --> 00:31:15.887
<v SPEAKER_1>That's another layer.

00:31:15.887 --> 00:31:28.327
<v SPEAKER_1>You're now actually making some theology choices, because, for instance, there are some places in the Old Testament where you're going to have to decide if the angel of the Lord is an angel or Christ.

00:31:28.327 --> 00:31:40.007
<v SPEAKER_1>And if you don't capitalize things other than basically proper nouns referring to God, then you don't have to make that theological call.

00:31:41.427 --> 00:31:47.927
<v SPEAKER_1>I understand that, because often translators are not going to be the one who should be making that theological call.

00:31:47.927 --> 00:31:50.607
<v SPEAKER_1>Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't.

00:31:50.607 --> 00:31:58.447
<v SPEAKER_1>I think that when a proper English translation of the Septuagint is made, those calls will have to be made at that time.

00:31:58.447 --> 00:32:00.187
<v SPEAKER_1>I think that's the right way to do it.

00:32:00.187 --> 00:32:08.947
<v SPEAKER_1>And I think, incidentally, angel of the Lord, angels should probably be capitalized in many of those cases, because it's very clearly, to my mind, referring to Christ.

00:32:09.267 --> 00:32:12.567
<v SPEAKER_1>And so, it is referring to God and should be capitalized.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I think it is a proper sign of reverence.

00:32:15.747 --> 00:32:18.947
<v SPEAKER_1>It is something that English permits us to do.

00:32:18.947 --> 00:32:25.387
<v SPEAKER_1>You can't do it in German, because capitalizing pronouns would make you kind of seem insane.

00:32:25.387 --> 00:32:36.547
<v SPEAKER_1>Because either you follow the modern orthography and don't capitalize them at all, or you follow the older orthography and capitalize them all.

00:32:36.547 --> 00:32:37.407
<v SPEAKER_1>You do one or the other.

00:32:38.527 --> 00:32:41.167
<v SPEAKER_1>It would be a weird hodgepodge system if you tried to do it in German.

00:32:41.167 --> 00:32:42.467
<v SPEAKER_1>English doesn't have that problem.

00:32:42.467 --> 00:32:46.747
<v SPEAKER_1>This is an instance where English provides us the flexibility to do this.

00:32:46.747 --> 00:32:48.407
<v SPEAKER_1>I think we should do it.

00:32:48.407 --> 00:32:56.047
<v SPEAKER_1>We sort of randomly capitalize nouns and things sometimes in English, when we want to show a certain sort of emphasis on things, right?

00:32:56.047 --> 00:33:01.987
<v SPEAKER_1>If you're talking about the establishment and you want to imply some things, you capitalize the E.

00:33:01.987 --> 00:33:06.687
<v SPEAKER_1>So I don't think capitalizing the pronouns for God is at odds with English grammar.

00:33:07.207 --> 00:33:09.207
<v SPEAKER_1>I think it's permitted by English grammar.

00:33:09.207 --> 00:33:10.707
<v SPEAKER_1>I think it is a sign of reverence.

00:33:10.707 --> 00:33:13.107
<v SPEAKER_1>I think it's something we should do.

00:33:13.107 --> 00:33:18.447
<v SPEAKER_1>And then the second point, the real reason, many of them are theological liberals.

00:33:18.447 --> 00:33:22.607
<v SPEAKER_1>Ultimately, what they're doing is trying to downgrade the status of God.

00:33:22.607 --> 00:33:26.247
<v SPEAKER_1>They're playing games with the text insofar as they can get away with it.

00:33:26.247 --> 00:33:28.467
<v SPEAKER_1>They're doing it for nefarious reasons.

00:33:28.467 --> 00:33:37.527
<v SPEAKER_1>A lot of times they're just spineless liberals, but they are doing it for wicked reasons, not because the Chicago style manual tells them they have to.

00:33:37.527 --> 00:33:45.967
<v SPEAKER_1>That's the excuse they give, but the real reason is that they don't hold God in the high esteem they should.

00:33:45.967 --> 00:33:48.907
<v SPEAKER_1>And they should never have been in a translation committee.

00:33:48.907 --> 00:33:52.107
<v SPEAKER_1>So, you have their reasons, and then you have the real reason.

00:33:52.107 --> 00:33:53.947
<v SPEAKER_1>I'm not saying all of them are wicked, of course.

00:33:53.947 --> 00:34:02.107
<v SPEAKER_1>There are some translators who try very hard to be faithful to scripture, but there are a lot of men who do it for the academic prowess, and they're not good men.

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<v SPEAKER_1>The next question here, I guess, shifting gears a little bit, tangentially related.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I was wondering if you had any insight into speed reading courses.

00:34:24.983 --> 00:34:34.843
<v SPEAKER_1>I know you have had to do a lot of reading for your legal profession and on theology, and about 15 other subjects, yes.

00:34:34.843 --> 00:34:39.463
<v SPEAKER_1>I have to do a lot of reading for work, most of which is skim worthy for me to get the gist.

00:34:39.583 --> 00:34:43.503
<v SPEAKER_1>I also want to read faster to go through other material.

00:34:43.503 --> 00:34:57.503
<v SPEAKER_1>So insofar as speed reading is concerned, this is actually an issue that I looked into a lot back when I was doing psychology in undergrad, and then also interested in it up through law school.

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<v SPEAKER_1>But I went back and looked at the current state of the research to make sure that what I remembered was consistent with what they have found, and it's been consistent over a course of decades now.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Speed reading by and large is snake oil.

00:35:14.403 --> 00:35:20.283
<v SPEAKER_1>Not entirely, so before anyone gets angry at me about that, or get angry at me, I don't really care.

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<v SPEAKER_1>But the claims of a thousand words a minute, two thousand words a minute, you get even crazier claims, and you get the people who are just sitting there flipping pages, saying they read the page, right?

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<v SPEAKER_1>As it barely hit their retina, they read it.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Complete nonsense.

00:35:36.863 --> 00:35:39.503
<v SPEAKER_1>It's not something human beings can do.

00:35:39.503 --> 00:35:42.003
<v SPEAKER_1>Is there maybe a weird outlier out there?

00:35:42.003 --> 00:35:43.323
<v SPEAKER_1>Sure, Asperger's exists.

00:35:43.323 --> 00:35:46.343
<v SPEAKER_1>Like maybe that guy is out there somewhere.

00:35:46.343 --> 00:35:50.243
<v SPEAKER_1>Most people can see some sort of improvement.

00:35:50.243 --> 00:35:53.583
<v SPEAKER_1>There are different levels of how quickly people read.

00:35:53.583 --> 00:35:59.523
<v SPEAKER_1>Basically, they correlate almost exactly with level of education, at least they did historically.

00:35:59.523 --> 00:36:04.083
<v SPEAKER_1>Now, because of the weakening of admission standards and things like that, they no longer do.

00:36:04.083 --> 00:36:06.943
<v SPEAKER_1>It's partly a correlation with intelligence, but not entirely.

00:36:08.523 --> 00:36:16.283
<v SPEAKER_1>Someone with some university education, if I remember correctly, is going to be around 250 to 300 words per minute.

00:36:16.283 --> 00:36:17.363
<v SPEAKER_1>That's sustained.

00:36:17.363 --> 00:36:20.583
<v SPEAKER_1>And there's a difference between sort of burst and sustained.

00:36:20.583 --> 00:36:23.763
<v SPEAKER_1>So reading a short article is different from reading a thousand page book.

00:36:24.583 --> 00:36:33.303
<v SPEAKER_1>The sustained one is going to matter more, given what you're saying about reading, and just generally this sort of question, the couching of the question here.

00:36:33.303 --> 00:36:36.463
<v SPEAKER_1>So if you can get up to that 300 words per minute level, that's pretty good.

00:36:36.463 --> 00:36:38.363
<v SPEAKER_1>That's about what you want to hit.

00:36:38.363 --> 00:36:40.683
<v SPEAKER_1>Are there individuals who can go higher?

00:36:40.683 --> 00:36:41.543
<v SPEAKER_1>Sure.

00:36:41.543 --> 00:36:58.043
<v SPEAKER_1>If you take some of the reputable courses, and there are some that are reputable because they're actually based on psychology, understanding of how human beings process things, short-term memory, how your eyes move across the page is actually really important.

00:36:58.043 --> 00:37:06.283
<v SPEAKER_1>You could maybe get 10 to 20 percent improvement in your reading speed, which it's not nothing, but it's not a miracle claim, right?

00:37:06.283 --> 00:37:11.663
<v SPEAKER_1>You're not tripling or quadrupling or whatever your reading speed.

00:37:11.663 --> 00:37:13.823
<v SPEAKER_1>You can see some benefit from that.

00:37:13.823 --> 00:37:19.523
<v SPEAKER_1>But beyond that, I think just some practical recommendations may serve you even better.

00:37:20.783 --> 00:37:47.283
<v SPEAKER_1>And the state of the research basically shows that the training for speed reading is about as beneficial or perhaps even slightly less beneficial than the metacognition, which basically means understanding how your brain processes the things that you read, and then how to take what you've processed and store it in a way that will be retrievable in the future.

00:37:48.023 --> 00:37:54.903
<v SPEAKER_1>So, understanding those things is probably a better starting place.

00:37:54.903 --> 00:37:56.603
<v SPEAKER_1>So, that would be one of my two recommendations.

00:37:56.603 --> 00:38:04.483
<v SPEAKER_1>The other would be, do what is within your power to do to improve your attention span.

00:38:04.483 --> 00:38:07.263
<v SPEAKER_1>That's not obviously a personal attack.

00:38:07.263 --> 00:38:12.703
<v SPEAKER_1>We all have shortened attention spans these days because of the hell rectangle, right?

00:38:12.703 --> 00:38:26.643
<v SPEAKER_1>Because of all the screens in our lives and all the other things that are designed to give you that dopamine hit and to make you want to click next, next, next, and just never stop staring at it, you know, doom scrolling, whatever you want to call it.

00:38:26.643 --> 00:38:43.003
<v SPEAKER_1>If you can pull yourself out of that morass, then by all means, that's going to help you with reading because part of the reason modern readers have so much trouble maintaining a reasonable speed of reading is because they're getting distracted constantly.

00:38:43.003 --> 00:38:53.143
<v SPEAKER_1>If you read ten words and then stare at your phone, you're not going to get as much done as the person who can sit for an hour and just read, which is something human beings used to be able to do.

00:38:53.143 --> 00:38:57.483
<v SPEAKER_1>So improve your attention span, focus on metacognition.

00:38:57.483 --> 00:39:08.443
<v SPEAKER_1>If you can find a reputable course, maybe consider doing a little bit of it just to get that, you know, 10, 15 percent boost, but don't expect to read a thousand words per minute.

00:39:08.443 --> 00:39:35.283
<v SPEAKER_1>Even under ideal laboratory conditions with men who are already very good at reading quickly, highly intelligent, trained men, they could only get them up to like 600, 700 words per minute, which is fast, of course, but it's not the crazy claims of the speed reading programs, and it's under laboratory conditions for a limited period of time.

00:39:35.283 --> 00:39:36.843
<v SPEAKER_1>You're just not going to achieve that.

00:39:36.843 --> 00:39:46.143
<v SPEAKER_1>So if you can hit that 250, 300 words per minute sustained, by all means consider that a good achievement, and that's probably enough.

00:39:46.143 --> 00:39:50.183
<v SPEAKER_1>Then the other practical recommendation is just, you're going to need a hierarchy.

00:39:50.183 --> 00:39:56.763
<v SPEAKER_1>Prioritize the things that are actually worthy of your time, and don't read the things that aren't.

00:39:56.763 --> 00:40:02.783
<v SPEAKER_1>You get men who think that as long as they're reading, they're achieving something, you may be reading complete crap.

00:40:02.783 --> 00:40:05.123
<v SPEAKER_1>You may just be wasting your time.

00:40:05.183 --> 00:40:08.383
<v SPEAKER_1>So, why?

00:40:08.383 --> 00:40:12.803
<v SPEAKER_1>Focus on the things you need to read, and set aside the things you don't, right?

00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:24.800
<v SPEAKER_1>The next question, definitely shifting gears a little bit here.

00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:30.800
<v SPEAKER_1>I'm gonna open up a couple so that I don't have this tab loading issue going on.

00:40:34.460 --> 00:40:38.200
<v SPEAKER_1>And I do see people asking about taking questions and things.

00:40:38.200 --> 00:40:40.020
<v SPEAKER_1>And yes, you can just ask them in the chat.

00:40:40.020 --> 00:40:42.400
<v SPEAKER_1>I will likely notice them.

00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:45.300
<v SPEAKER_1>If I don't, then please put them on the form.

00:40:45.300 --> 00:40:46.780
<v SPEAKER_1>Question about the gift of celibacy.

00:40:46.780 --> 00:40:48.100
<v SPEAKER_1>This one comes up every so often.

00:40:48.980 --> 00:40:52.920
<v SPEAKER_1>I have heard you mention the gift of celibacy and how rare it is several times.

00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:55.160
<v SPEAKER_1>If you're willing to share, do you have that gift?

00:40:55.160 --> 00:40:58.960
<v SPEAKER_1>No, I do actually like women, so no.

00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:08.860
<v SPEAKER_1>That would certainly make focusing on reading and things more convenient and easier, because women are very distracting as every man who does not have the gift of celibacy knows.

00:41:08.860 --> 00:41:13.460
<v SPEAKER_1>So as I pointed out, just go over the basic of the gift.

00:41:13.460 --> 00:41:21.340
<v SPEAKER_1>You know if you have it, because if you have ever been tempted by a woman, you don't.

00:41:21.340 --> 00:41:22.960
<v SPEAKER_1>Because that's what the gift of celibacy is.

00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:30.860
<v SPEAKER_1>It's God removing that desire from you, so that you can just 100% focus on whatever it is you're doing.

00:41:30.860 --> 00:41:40.420
<v SPEAKER_1>Which, for some men, doing some tasks, God wants them to have that, because then they can focus on whatever it is of that utmost importance.

00:41:40.420 --> 00:41:42.700
<v SPEAKER_1>No one listening to this is going to have the gift.

00:41:42.700 --> 00:41:44.060
<v SPEAKER_1>It's just, it's very rare.

00:41:44.700 --> 00:41:48.900
<v SPEAKER_1>And it seems like God almost never hands it out these days, so.

00:41:48.900 --> 00:41:52.760
<v SPEAKER_1>But no, I would not count myself as one who has that gift.

00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:55.680
<v SPEAKER_1>I have indeed dated women in the past.

00:41:56.780 --> 00:41:59.360
<v SPEAKER_1>The next question, question 8.

00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:06.640
<v SPEAKER_1>How do you know if you have the characteristics or traits needed to be a leader?

00:42:06.640 --> 00:42:09.680
<v SPEAKER_1>More specifically, a political leader of some sort.

00:42:12.740 --> 00:42:16.180
<v SPEAKER_1>This is one of those where you're sort of going to know.

00:42:16.180 --> 00:42:22.720
<v SPEAKER_1>If you are a leader, you're going to have a general sense that you have the abilities, you have the capacity to do that.

00:42:22.720 --> 00:42:25.360
<v SPEAKER_1>You know, you run into Dunning Kruger and things like that, of course, too.

00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:27.640
<v SPEAKER_1>You're going to get many who have no ability who think they do.

00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:37.340
<v SPEAKER_1>But you can look at how your life has played out and get some idea of whether or not you have those abilities.

00:42:38.820 --> 00:42:42.020
<v SPEAKER_1>And, you know, part of it depends on your age, right?

00:42:42.020 --> 00:42:52.900
<v SPEAKER_1>If you're always the one in your group of friends who winds up making the plans, or at least saying, we're going with that plan, you're kind of filling the role of the leader of the group.

00:42:52.900 --> 00:42:58.560
<v SPEAKER_1>If people look to you for answers, you're kind of filling the role of the leader of the group.

00:42:58.560 --> 00:43:04.560
<v SPEAKER_1>If you're comfortable filling that role, that's also a positive indicator.

00:43:04.560 --> 00:43:19.800
<v SPEAKER_1>It's going to be something that you're going to have a personal internal sense of it with regard to whether or not you have been given the abilities, whether or not you have cultivated the abilities necessary to be a leader.

00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:26.520
<v SPEAKER_1>I'm not saying you can't equip yourself better than you are currently equipped, because certainly you can study some of these things, right?

00:43:26.520 --> 00:43:29.300
<v SPEAKER_1>I've got books on rhetoric on my shelves here.

00:43:29.300 --> 00:43:33.540
<v SPEAKER_1>You can do things like that, that will make you better at that role than you are now.

00:43:34.600 --> 00:43:38.780
<v SPEAKER_1>But there are some things you have or you don't.

00:43:38.780 --> 00:43:41.760
<v SPEAKER_1>One of the things is going to be charisma.

00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:44.500
<v SPEAKER_1>Leaders need a certain amount of charisma.

00:43:44.500 --> 00:43:49.120
<v SPEAKER_1>You need more of it the higher up you are, basically, in the hierarchy.

00:43:49.120 --> 00:43:55.000
<v SPEAKER_1>A man who has zero charisma can probably lead, but he's going to find it a lot more difficult.

00:43:55.000 --> 00:44:02.040
<v SPEAKER_1>He's going to have to convince men in practically a purely rational way, which is really not how human beings operate.

00:44:02.740 --> 00:44:08.060
<v SPEAKER_1>So, there are things that you have to have innately, and there are things that you cultivate.

00:44:08.060 --> 00:44:13.860
<v SPEAKER_1>And those are related, of course, because even having an innate ability doesn't mean that you're an expert.

00:44:13.860 --> 00:44:23.600
<v SPEAKER_1>If you have innate artistic ability, it's still going to take years of effort to become the best version of you at that.

00:44:23.600 --> 00:44:26.460
<v SPEAKER_1>The same thing is true with leaders, with public speakers.

00:44:27.860 --> 00:44:35.820
<v SPEAKER_1>So, if you are thinking about going that route, and you have questions about whether or not you have what it takes, join a debate club.

00:44:35.820 --> 00:44:38.660
<v SPEAKER_1>See if public speaking is something that you can even do.

00:44:38.660 --> 00:44:41.280
<v SPEAKER_1>Some people think that public speaking is worse than death.

00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:45.420
<v SPEAKER_1>So, if you're one of those, you're probably going to find leadership kind of challenging.

00:44:46.680 --> 00:44:54.040
<v SPEAKER_1>Put yourself in situations where you have the opportunity to see if you are able to rise to the level of a leader in a group.

00:44:54.040 --> 00:44:55.720
<v SPEAKER_1>If not, then you don't have that.

00:44:56.040 --> 00:44:57.360
<v SPEAKER_1>Do something else.

00:44:57.360 --> 00:45:00.980
<v SPEAKER_1>If you have it, pursue it, cultivate that talent, and see where it takes you.

00:45:12.023 --> 00:45:16.103
<v SPEAKER_1>Okay, next question is question nine.

00:45:16.103 --> 00:45:18.323
<v SPEAKER_1>When do you quit your job?

00:45:18.323 --> 00:45:22.303
<v SPEAKER_1>This is tangential to the Iran conflict.

00:45:22.303 --> 00:45:36.903
<v SPEAKER_1>Now, it seemed to me, in that domain, you would want as many whites as possible, so that way if we later get control back, we already have ample people to ensure we are able to properly defend ourselves, particularly when it comes to production of weapons.

00:45:36.903 --> 00:45:39.843
<v SPEAKER_1>It is jam-packed with Jews and all sorts of other groups.

00:45:40.003 --> 00:45:45.003
<v SPEAKER_1>In my mind, it would actually be very bad if that were completely 100% controlled by them.

00:45:45.003 --> 00:45:46.543
<v SPEAKER_1>I would agree.

00:45:46.543 --> 00:45:53.623
<v SPEAKER_1>That was my rationalization at any rate, although destroying the Iranian regime is not, in and of itself, particularly wicked, in my opinion.

00:45:53.623 --> 00:46:00.303
<v SPEAKER_1>Nevertheless, it seems to me that aiding in their destruction, even indirectly, still gives the wicked reason to rejoice.

00:46:00.303 --> 00:46:05.983
<v SPEAKER_1>My main problem here is I am made uncomfortable by the fact that I have no real exit criteria.

00:46:05.983 --> 00:46:10.503
<v SPEAKER_1>I suppose I have to think of something regardless, but penny for your thoughts.

00:46:13.143 --> 00:46:20.343
<v SPEAKER_1>So, obviously, this person is working in the munitions field, we'll call it, broadly.

00:46:20.343 --> 00:46:32.303
<v SPEAKER_1>I don't think if you're working for Northrop Grumman, or whatever other Raytheon, whatever other defense industry contractor it happens to be, I have a number of friends who work for those.

00:46:32.303 --> 00:46:35.443
<v SPEAKER_1>I lived near some of their facilities in California.

00:46:36.763 --> 00:46:40.663
<v SPEAKER_1>If you are working for them, I don't think what you're doing is inherently wicked.

00:46:40.663 --> 00:46:44.423
<v SPEAKER_1>I don't think that it's sin to continue working there.

00:46:44.423 --> 00:46:53.523
<v SPEAKER_1>Weapons of war have to be produced, because war is a reality of man's life upon the earth, right?

00:46:53.523 --> 00:47:03.263
<v SPEAKER_1>You can think of the line from Job, yes, it is slightly different in the Septuagint, so I have to re-memorize it, but the life of man upon the earth is war.

00:47:03.263 --> 00:47:06.223
<v SPEAKER_1>Now, are there lines?

00:47:06.223 --> 00:47:07.763
<v SPEAKER_1>I think the answer is yes.

00:47:07.763 --> 00:47:25.963
<v SPEAKER_1>If you were, say, living in the Soviet Union, we'll just go back to that example, much like earlier, and you are working on their nuclear weapons program, I do think that you should have some very serious moral qualms about arming a regime that wicked with nuclear weapons.

00:47:27.643 --> 00:47:30.343
<v SPEAKER_1>Now, is the US regime currently wicked?

00:47:30.343 --> 00:47:34.703
<v SPEAKER_1>I think the answer is unequivocally yes.

00:47:34.703 --> 00:47:37.383
<v SPEAKER_1>Are you arming them with nuclear weapons?

00:47:37.383 --> 00:47:41.583
<v SPEAKER_1>No, they already have rather many thousands of those.

00:47:41.583 --> 00:48:02.023
<v SPEAKER_1>What you are ultimately doing is producing the armaments of war for your government, even if your government is doing some things that are evil, it is still doing some things that are good, because the military does still act as defense of the United States, of America.

00:48:02.023 --> 00:48:13.923
<v SPEAKER_1>So, I won't pretend that it's a simple question, you know, it's not a trivial question, it's not an irrelevant question, there's a moral aspect to these things.

00:48:13.923 --> 00:48:22.563
<v SPEAKER_1>But, I don't think that you are violating any hard and fast black and white moral rule by being involved in the defense industry.

00:48:23.283 --> 00:48:32.003
<v SPEAKER_1>And, yes, I think our men should still be involved in these industries, because we don't want them to be wholly owned by the enemy.

00:48:32.003 --> 00:48:42.563
<v SPEAKER_1>Maybe you can get into a position at some point, it depends on, you know, your career path and things like that, but you may be able to make decisions that are very important down the line.

00:48:42.563 --> 00:48:55.503
<v SPEAKER_1>And if we all just up and left society, right, if we just completely abandoned our society because our government is wicked, that would not actually make things better.

00:48:55.503 --> 00:48:58.103
<v SPEAKER_1>It would make them significantly worse.

00:48:58.103 --> 00:49:05.603
<v SPEAKER_1>And it would make them significantly worse for all of us as well, because we'd then all be unemployed and powerless, which is not ideal.

00:49:05.603 --> 00:49:11.323
<v SPEAKER_1>So as far as exit criteria are concerned, you know, when should you leave?

00:49:11.323 --> 00:49:17.723
<v SPEAKER_1>If they ask you to deny Christ is obviously a pretty obvious black and white line, you can't do that.

00:49:18.363 --> 00:49:22.443
<v SPEAKER_1>If they ask you to worship a false god, you can't do that.

00:49:22.443 --> 00:49:26.143
<v SPEAKER_1>Anything that is denying the faith, you can't do.

00:49:26.143 --> 00:49:37.263
<v SPEAKER_1>But if it's just producing weapons of war, and you have moral qualms about how your government is going to use them, I don't think that is sufficient to say that you have to.

00:49:37.263 --> 00:49:43.103
<v SPEAKER_1>Now, if they ask you to personally deploy these things, that's a different matter.

00:49:43.103 --> 00:49:53.343
<v SPEAKER_1>I have said that I think that soldiers, if they are told that they have to go be boots on the ground in Iran, they should say that they have a religious objection.

00:49:53.343 --> 00:49:54.623
<v SPEAKER_1>They have a moral objection.

00:49:54.623 --> 00:49:56.403
<v SPEAKER_1>They're a conscientious objector.

00:49:56.403 --> 00:50:00.723
<v SPEAKER_1>Whatever it happens to be that you need to say to get out of it, I think you should.

00:50:01.223 --> 00:50:04.583
<v SPEAKER_1>I do not think that you should participate in that way.

00:50:04.583 --> 00:50:07.603
<v SPEAKER_1>But there's a difference here.

00:50:07.603 --> 00:50:10.843
<v SPEAKER_1>It's not just because there's a level of attenuation, certainly that's part of it.

00:50:11.683 --> 00:50:23.763
<v SPEAKER_1>But there is a difference in arming your nation for war, generally, and specifically doing X that you know to be immoral.

00:50:26.403 --> 00:50:28.223
<v SPEAKER_1>I can't give you a hard and fast rule.

00:50:28.223 --> 00:50:34.603
<v SPEAKER_1>I can't give you a black and white rule because it's a matter of wisdom, and it's a matter of conscience, as you correctly recognize.

00:50:34.603 --> 00:50:37.183
<v SPEAKER_1>But in this case, I don't think what you're doing is wrong.

00:50:37.183 --> 00:50:44.443
<v SPEAKER_1>And I think it's good that we have men in these fields doing these things who are Christian men, who have these concerns.

00:50:44.443 --> 00:50:46.163
<v SPEAKER_1>Because what's the alternative?

00:50:46.163 --> 00:50:51.983
<v SPEAKER_1>Men who have no concerns, who have no conscience, doing whatever they please, probably to us.

00:51:04.228 --> 00:51:07.588
<v SPEAKER_1>The next question, question number 10.

00:51:11.688 --> 00:51:16.428
<v SPEAKER_1>What do you believe is the role of small business owners in the current situation?

00:51:18.048 --> 00:51:22.348
<v SPEAKER_1>Only hire white male Christians, as much as practical seems obvious.

00:51:22.348 --> 00:51:25.648
<v SPEAKER_1>What is the historical understanding of our duties?

00:51:27.788 --> 00:51:30.808
<v SPEAKER_1>So obviously, I can't tell you to do anything illegal.

00:51:31.328 --> 00:51:34.128
<v SPEAKER_1>I mean, I could, but I'm not going to tell you to do anything illegal.

00:51:34.128 --> 00:51:36.108
<v SPEAKER_1>And this is not legal advice.

00:51:36.108 --> 00:51:46.628
<v SPEAKER_1>But the duty with regard to being a Christian is to provide for those closest to you first.

00:51:46.628 --> 00:51:48.648
<v SPEAKER_1>Because it's the same as always.

00:51:48.648 --> 00:51:54.388
<v SPEAKER_1>It's the concentric circles radiating outward, decreasing duty as you go.

00:51:54.388 --> 00:51:56.768
<v SPEAKER_1>Inversely, increasing duty as you get closer.

00:51:58.108 --> 00:52:00.948
<v SPEAKER_1>We recognize this, the Ten Commandments are hierarchical.

00:52:00.948 --> 00:52:05.848
<v SPEAKER_1>So you have a greater duty to your parents than you have to your neighbor.

00:52:05.848 --> 00:52:08.968
<v SPEAKER_1>You have a greater duty to your neighbor than you have to the stranger.

00:52:08.968 --> 00:52:15.608
<v SPEAKER_1>You have a greater duty to the stranger who is sojourning in your country than you do to someone on the other side of the world.

00:52:15.608 --> 00:52:22.248
<v SPEAKER_1>You have a greater duty to the person visiting your country than a hostile alien, right?

00:52:22.248 --> 00:52:26.048
<v SPEAKER_1>There are, there's a hierarchy or the concentric circles.

00:52:26.108 --> 00:52:29.388
<v SPEAKER_1>Whichever way you want to visualize that.

00:52:30.528 --> 00:52:42.408
<v SPEAKER_1>So, if you make it your explicit policy to hire only white male Christians, you will be sued and you will almost certainly lose.

00:52:42.408 --> 00:52:43.868
<v SPEAKER_1>So, don't do that.

00:52:43.868 --> 00:52:45.188
<v SPEAKER_1>That would be unwise.

00:52:45.188 --> 00:52:47.068
<v SPEAKER_1>Do not be unwise.

00:52:47.068 --> 00:52:50.308
<v SPEAKER_1>I guess the basic recommendation there is don't break the law, right?

00:52:50.308 --> 00:52:53.788
<v SPEAKER_1>Which, that I can give as legal advice, but it's useless legal advice.

00:52:55.488 --> 00:53:05.148
<v SPEAKER_1>But, what can you do that is permissible under the law and is very unlikely to get you in trouble?

00:53:05.148 --> 00:53:08.148
<v SPEAKER_1>And part of this depends on, right, the size of the business.

00:53:08.148 --> 00:53:13.368
<v SPEAKER_1>For a small business, you're less likely to be harassed by the government than a larger business.

00:53:13.368 --> 00:53:15.908
<v SPEAKER_1>But a larger business has a compliance department.

00:53:17.848 --> 00:53:19.608
<v SPEAKER_1>Hire those who are your neighbors.

00:53:20.768 --> 00:53:26.508
<v SPEAKER_1>Hire the friend of a friend, or the nephew of a friend of a friend.

00:53:26.508 --> 00:53:31.888
<v SPEAKER_1>The good version of nepotism, which nepotism comes from nephew, nepos.

00:53:31.888 --> 00:53:41.188
<v SPEAKER_1>So, put up your help wanted ads at church, at whatever your local club is.

00:53:41.188 --> 00:53:46.528
<v SPEAKER_1>Put them up in places where you're going to get the response from the sort of men you want to hire.

00:53:46.528 --> 00:53:47.468
<v SPEAKER_1>There's nothing wrong with that.

00:53:47.528 --> 00:53:50.088
<v SPEAKER_1>There's nothing wrong with using word of mouth to hire people.

00:53:50.088 --> 00:53:53.728
<v SPEAKER_1>There's nothing wrong with hiring your friends or your family.

00:53:53.728 --> 00:53:56.028
<v SPEAKER_1>Perfectly permissible.

00:53:56.028 --> 00:54:15.628
<v SPEAKER_1>So, don't do the things the law says you cannot do, but do the things you're permitted to do to help those God has entrusted to your care, because God has entrusted resources to you so that you can use them to perform your duties and to aid your fellow men, those to whom you owe the highest duty.

00:54:16.988 --> 00:54:26.848
<v SPEAKER_1>So, that's the basics of it, but at another level of it, this is an anecdote that many will know from history.

00:54:26.848 --> 00:54:33.608
<v SPEAKER_1>There was a saint who basically asked, and the story may be apocryphal or not, but the point drawn out of it is good.

00:54:33.608 --> 00:54:50.308
<v SPEAKER_1>There was a saint who prayed to be shown how he could be a great Christian, and if God would show him a great Christian, and he was shown a shoemaker, and he wondered how this shoemaker is a great Christian, how can this be the perfect good Christian life?

00:54:50.308 --> 00:54:55.228
<v SPEAKER_1>The man said a short prayer before he went into work, and then he made good shoes.

00:54:55.228 --> 00:55:08.288
<v SPEAKER_1>He didn't put crosses on the shoes, he didn't emblazon verses from scripture into them, he didn't do any of those things, which is sort of the kitsch version of people believing, oh, this is how you're a good Christian, and he made good shoes.

00:55:08.288 --> 00:55:09.768
<v SPEAKER_1>Your neighbor needs good shoes.

00:55:10.648 --> 00:55:18.568
<v SPEAKER_1>Your neighbor needs good food, good woodwork, a good desk, whatever it happens to be, good glassware for his tea, right?

00:55:18.568 --> 00:55:20.808
<v SPEAKER_1>These are the things your neighbor needs.

00:55:20.808 --> 00:55:25.568
<v SPEAKER_1>You serve God by serving your neighbor, and you serve your neighbor by doing a good job.

00:55:25.568 --> 00:55:28.808
<v SPEAKER_1>You do a good job at a fair price.

00:55:28.808 --> 00:55:30.648
<v SPEAKER_1>That's how you serve as a Christian.

00:55:30.648 --> 00:55:38.288
<v SPEAKER_1>It's not stamping crosses into everything and loudly declaring, oh, I'm a Christian, and that's performance, that's not Christianity.

00:55:39.448 --> 00:55:41.708
<v SPEAKER_1>Christianity is doing your duty.

00:55:41.708 --> 00:55:47.768
<v SPEAKER_1>Being good at whatever job it is, doing the best that you can do for the people around you.

00:55:47.768 --> 00:55:50.148
<v SPEAKER_1>That's what you should do as a small business owner.

00:55:50.148 --> 00:55:57.868
<v SPEAKER_1>Give people a good product at a fair price, and hire the people you can who are the men to whom you owe duties.

00:55:57.868 --> 00:56:02.588
<v SPEAKER_1>So again, family, friends, members of your church.

00:56:02.588 --> 00:56:03.168
<v SPEAKER_1>That's what you do.

00:56:04.008 --> 00:56:08.288
<v SPEAKER_1>It's not a matter of the performative version of Christianity.

00:56:08.288 --> 00:56:10.408
<v SPEAKER_1>It's the reality instead.

00:56:10.408 --> 00:56:12.728
<v SPEAKER_1>Because the concrete stuff matters.

00:56:12.728 --> 00:56:22.788
<v SPEAKER_1>The person who is praying really loudly on the street corner is not the one who is helping the man who is homeless and naked, right?

00:56:22.788 --> 00:56:26.388
<v SPEAKER_1>The guy who's homeless and naked would probably rather that you give him a coat and a sandwich.

00:56:37.307 --> 00:56:41.567
<v SPEAKER_1>The next question, question 11.

00:56:44.547 --> 00:57:03.127
<v SPEAKER_1>Given microplastics and other things in the modern world seeming to be assaulting our hormones and masculinity in new ways, indeed, this has come up a couple times already about microplastics at least, is testosterone replacement therapy permissible for Christian men in our late 30s, early 40s?

00:57:03.127 --> 00:57:07.767
<v SPEAKER_1>I don't want to chase the fountain of youth, but do modern problems call for modern solutions?

00:57:07.767 --> 00:57:12.507
<v SPEAKER_1>The good news is, the fountain of youth doesn't exist, and if it did, it would be called hell.

00:57:12.507 --> 00:57:14.867
<v SPEAKER_1>So TRT is just fine.

00:57:14.867 --> 00:57:16.387
<v SPEAKER_1>Nothing wrong with it.

00:57:16.387 --> 00:57:17.367
<v SPEAKER_1>Perfectly acceptable.

00:57:17.367 --> 00:57:24.467
<v SPEAKER_1>If you can find a good doctor to make sure that you, you know, calibrate things properly, by all means, do so.

00:57:24.467 --> 00:57:25.867
<v SPEAKER_1>That's a...

00:57:25.867 --> 00:57:32.327
<v SPEAKER_1>There's nothing wrong with taking measures to safeguard your health, which is all testosterone replacement therapy is, right?

00:57:32.907 --> 00:57:38.027
<v SPEAKER_1>It's not trying to subvert God's plan or God's design.

00:57:38.027 --> 00:57:42.167
<v SPEAKER_1>It's accounting for the reality of living in a post-fall world.

00:57:42.167 --> 00:57:44.247
<v SPEAKER_1>It's similar to...

00:57:44.247 --> 00:57:45.887
<v SPEAKER_1>I was looking to see if I had anything on my desk.

00:57:45.887 --> 00:57:48.127
<v SPEAKER_1>Use an example, but I've got, you know, nicotine here.

00:57:48.127 --> 00:57:50.527
<v SPEAKER_1>It's not exactly what I wanted.

00:57:51.707 --> 00:57:53.627
<v SPEAKER_1>It's similar to taking supplements, right?

00:57:53.627 --> 00:58:03.087
<v SPEAKER_1>If you supplement vitamin D, which you should be doing, because past a certain age, you actually stop producing it, in sufficient quantities.

00:58:03.087 --> 00:58:04.987
<v SPEAKER_1>There are those who think, you know, oh, if I get...

00:58:04.987 --> 00:58:07.007
<v SPEAKER_1>just get enough sun.

00:58:07.007 --> 00:58:20.467
<v SPEAKER_1>If you're a 40-year-old man and you spend your entire day outside naked and manage not to get arrested for public indecency, you still will not have enough vitamin D, even if you live somewhere like Southern California, because your body just doesn't produce enough.

00:58:20.467 --> 00:58:23.787
<v SPEAKER_1>So that's something you should be supplementing if you're over...

00:58:23.787 --> 00:58:26.187
<v SPEAKER_1>I don't remember the exact age, but it's somewhere in your mid-30s.

00:58:26.767 --> 00:58:29.187
<v SPEAKER_1>You should be supplementing that.

00:58:29.187 --> 00:58:42.787
<v SPEAKER_1>There's nothing wrong with supplementing testosterone as well, because yes, we have environmental factors that are pushing that, trending that downward, and that's not good, because God designed men to have a higher level than modern men do.

00:58:42.787 --> 00:58:49.127
<v SPEAKER_1>So by all means, if you can find a doctor who will prescribe that for you, I think that's perfectly acceptable.

00:58:49.127 --> 00:58:50.687
<v SPEAKER_1>It's probably even a good idea.

00:58:50.687 --> 00:58:54.427
<v SPEAKER_1>It's something that more men probably should be doing.

00:58:54.427 --> 00:58:55.527
<v SPEAKER_1>Get your levels checked.

00:58:55.687 --> 00:59:00.727
<v SPEAKER_1>If that's something that your health plan provides, or you have some way of doing that.

00:59:00.727 --> 00:59:02.207
<v SPEAKER_1>And just keep that in mind.

00:59:02.207 --> 00:59:05.507
<v SPEAKER_1>It's similar to how we test other things about our health, right?

00:59:05.507 --> 00:59:12.747
<v SPEAKER_1>You get an ECG, or you occasionally check your heart rate, or your blood oxygen level.

00:59:12.747 --> 00:59:15.867
<v SPEAKER_1>These are things that you can test very easily.

00:59:15.867 --> 00:59:18.207
<v SPEAKER_1>I have an oxygen meter right here.

00:59:18.207 --> 00:59:20.107
<v SPEAKER_1>This thing costs probably $10.

00:59:21.227 --> 00:59:28.827
<v SPEAKER_1>They're easy things you can do to keep track of your health and detect issues before they arise.

00:59:28.827 --> 00:59:32.727
<v SPEAKER_1>And checking your testosterone level is certainly one of them.

00:59:32.727 --> 00:59:43.207
<v SPEAKER_1>It will probably help your marriage, if you make sure that your level is where it should be, or at least close to where it should be, instead of way below where it should be.

00:59:43.207 --> 00:59:45.967
<v SPEAKER_1>But yes, the basic answer is it's perfectly fine.

00:59:45.967 --> 00:59:46.667
<v SPEAKER_1>It's moral to do.

00:59:47.467 --> 00:59:51.727
<v SPEAKER_1>And likely also something that is, as a matter of wisdom, wise to do.

00:59:57.083 --> 01:00:01.803
<v SPEAKER_1>The next question is sort of a theological question.

01:00:01.803 --> 01:00:07.503
<v SPEAKER_1>The other one was as well, but this one's sort of, I guess, more core theological question, as it were.

01:00:07.503 --> 01:00:12.183
<v SPEAKER_1>Do you have an opinion or any knowledge of the old apostolic Lutherans?

01:00:12.183 --> 01:00:22.743
<v SPEAKER_1>So these are one of the subgroups of one of the revivalistic, pietistic Lutheran groups.

01:00:23.423 --> 01:00:30.303
<v SPEAKER_1>They are separated out from the Swedish Lutherans.

01:00:30.303 --> 01:00:32.503
<v SPEAKER_1>It was the Swedish Lutherans, right?

01:00:32.503 --> 01:00:46.743
<v SPEAKER_1>One of the pastors went up there into the Sami lands, which is sort of their version of, obviously not Amerindians, but their version of natives living out in the middle of nowhere.

01:00:46.743 --> 01:00:54.063
<v SPEAKER_1>So he went up there to try to convert them to Christianity, because they converted pretty late.

01:00:54.063 --> 01:00:59.863
<v SPEAKER_1>And he was a Lutheran pastor, Lystadius, that's the gentleman's name.

01:00:59.863 --> 01:01:01.303
<v SPEAKER_1>So these are Lystadians.

01:01:02.363 --> 01:01:04.063
<v SPEAKER_1>Don't critique me on pronouncing Swedish.

01:01:04.063 --> 01:01:05.663
<v SPEAKER_1>I have no idea how to pronounce Swedish.

01:01:05.663 --> 01:01:09.683
<v SPEAKER_1>So if I said it wrong, then I apologize to the Swedish.

01:01:09.683 --> 01:01:19.603
<v SPEAKER_1>But that's only fair, because every time I run across something on social media that's Swedish, I get a few words in, and I think it's German, then I hit the little symbol on the A and realize it's Swedish.

01:01:20.423 --> 01:01:23.263
<v SPEAKER_1>But at any rate, he was trying to convert these people.

01:01:23.263 --> 01:01:26.063
<v SPEAKER_1>Same sort of problem we had with the Amerindians.

01:01:26.063 --> 01:01:27.243
<v SPEAKER_1>Wild heavy drinkers.

01:01:27.243 --> 01:01:29.583
<v SPEAKER_1>Alcoholism was rampant.

01:01:29.583 --> 01:01:39.543
<v SPEAKER_1>So he went overboard, because, for instance, he became a teetotaler, almost, because he still used wine in the sacrament.

01:01:39.543 --> 01:01:41.023
<v SPEAKER_1>Thankfully, he didn't mess that one up.

01:01:41.023 --> 01:01:48.463
<v SPEAKER_1>But he otherwise was a teetotaler with regard to alcohol consumption, partly because he was working with the Sammy.

01:01:49.203 --> 01:01:57.563
<v SPEAKER_1>But it's the same sort of thing that you see in a lot of these movements, where they're going to say, oh, well, all dancing is bad, right?

01:01:57.563 --> 01:01:59.503
<v SPEAKER_1>You should never go to the movies.

01:01:59.503 --> 01:02:00.803
<v SPEAKER_1>You shouldn't smoke.

01:02:00.803 --> 01:02:01.863
<v SPEAKER_1>Nicotine's all bad.

01:02:01.863 --> 01:02:03.383
<v SPEAKER_1>You should never drink.

01:02:03.383 --> 01:02:08.283
<v SPEAKER_1>Basically, all worldly pleasure is evil and bad, and you just, you know, it's horrible.

01:02:08.283 --> 01:02:14.103
<v SPEAKER_1>That's not Christian, because God created the worldly pleasures as well.

01:02:14.103 --> 01:02:21.103
<v SPEAKER_1>You should not abuse them, but using them in the right way, in the way God intended, is perfectly fine.

01:02:21.103 --> 01:02:23.683
<v SPEAKER_1>Like I said, I have some nicotine sitting here on my desk.

01:02:23.683 --> 01:02:31.683
<v SPEAKER_1>I don't use it a lot, certainly, but there's nothing wrong with consuming nicotine or alcohol.

01:02:31.683 --> 01:02:33.603
<v SPEAKER_1>In reasonable amounts.

01:02:33.603 --> 01:02:40.303
<v SPEAKER_1>It's not to be done in excess, because that would, of course, be in the case of alcoholism, which is not good.

01:02:40.303 --> 01:02:45.763
<v SPEAKER_1>You don't want to be a drunk, but there's nothing morally impermissible about drinking.

01:02:45.763 --> 01:02:49.323
<v SPEAKER_1>In fact, scripture praises alcohol in a number of places.

01:02:49.323 --> 01:02:54.763
<v SPEAKER_1>One of the ways you could worship God in Old Testament Israel was liquor.

01:02:54.763 --> 01:03:00.703
<v SPEAKER_1>Not as strong as our liquor, Zechera, is what they called it, but still liquor.

01:03:00.703 --> 01:03:03.403
<v SPEAKER_1>So, I don't like these groups.

01:03:03.403 --> 01:03:05.983
<v SPEAKER_1>They go overboard with these things.

01:03:05.983 --> 01:03:17.903
<v SPEAKER_1>But at the same time, they're not that relevant, because I think there's only about 25,000 of them in the United States, and like 180,000 of them, worldwide.

01:03:17.903 --> 01:03:35.803
<v SPEAKER_1>So, I guess if you are Swedish, Norwegian, Finnish, or Sami, then they're going to be more relevant to you, because they're going to be, if not in your area where you live, then at least relevant back in your lineage to your people.

01:03:35.803 --> 01:03:40.643
<v SPEAKER_1>Maybe you don't have those people in your direct lineage, but you live somewhere they used to be.

01:03:41.763 --> 01:03:43.343
<v SPEAKER_1>Or maybe you still are.

01:03:43.343 --> 01:03:50.703
<v SPEAKER_1>If you're not descended from those groups, or living in those areas, then they're just completely irrelevant to you, go join an actual Lutheran church.

01:03:50.703 --> 01:03:58.123
<v SPEAKER_1>Insofar as joining one of their churches is concerned, I would say just join an actual Lutheran church.

01:03:58.123 --> 01:04:12.923
<v SPEAKER_1>Maybe there are good congregations, I don't personally know, but I do know that many of them are sort of in the habit of doing the mutual excommunication sort of thing, where you'll have the old Apostolic Lutherans, and then you have...

01:04:14.423 --> 01:04:15.503
<v SPEAKER_1>I can't remember the name of the other group.

01:04:16.423 --> 01:04:18.543
<v SPEAKER_1>There are three main groups of the Lystadians.

01:04:18.543 --> 01:04:26.583
<v SPEAKER_1>I can't remember the other ones, but two of them have mutually excommunicated each other basically and said, no, you're going to hell, no, you're going to hell.

01:04:26.583 --> 01:04:28.363
<v SPEAKER_1>That's not productive or helpful.

01:04:28.363 --> 01:04:29.803
<v SPEAKER_1>That's just nonsense.

01:04:29.803 --> 01:04:42.323
<v SPEAKER_1>And it's also false theology, because they're denying the reality of the invisible church, the Church Universal, which includes believers from, if not every, at least most denominations.

01:04:42.323 --> 01:04:46.263
<v SPEAKER_1>I'm Lutheran, I have significant disagreements with Rome.

01:04:46.263 --> 01:04:49.483
<v SPEAKER_1>I believe there are Christians in Roman Catholic churches.

01:04:49.483 --> 01:04:52.003
<v SPEAKER_1>I believe there are many Christians in Baptist churches.

01:04:52.003 --> 01:04:54.583
<v SPEAKER_1>I have significant disagreements with them.

01:04:54.583 --> 01:05:11.543
<v SPEAKER_1>If you deny the reality of the invisible church, you're just making a complete nonsense claim about, no, no, no, this one corporate structure, physical entity, legal fiction thing in the world is Christ Church.

01:05:11.543 --> 01:05:15.103
<v SPEAKER_1>That's absurd, and it's bad theology.

01:05:15.103 --> 01:05:19.423
<v SPEAKER_1>Partly, if you just look at scripture, Adam's the first Christian.

01:05:19.423 --> 01:05:22.583
<v SPEAKER_1>Of which church was Adam a member?

01:05:23.883 --> 01:05:27.143
<v SPEAKER_1>Was Adam ever a member of the Roman Catholic Church?

01:05:27.143 --> 01:05:29.843
<v SPEAKER_1>Was Adam ever a member of the Lutheran Church?

01:05:29.843 --> 01:05:32.563
<v SPEAKER_1>The answer is no, because he was a member of the Church Universal.

01:05:33.243 --> 01:05:41.563
<v SPEAKER_1>So, claims about any specific group being the Church on Earth are almost always per se incorrect.

01:05:41.563 --> 01:05:44.823
<v SPEAKER_1>Can you say that you have the best theology?

01:05:44.823 --> 01:05:47.583
<v SPEAKER_1>Of course, and you should believe that if you're a member of that church.

01:05:47.583 --> 01:05:49.903
<v SPEAKER_1>That should be one of the reasons you're a member.

01:05:49.903 --> 01:05:55.363
<v SPEAKER_1>But does that make you the Church, and no one outside of your body can be saved?

01:05:55.363 --> 01:05:59.883
<v SPEAKER_1>Of course not, because the only church that matters is Christ Church.

01:05:59.883 --> 01:06:05.763
<v SPEAKER_1>And it is only his church, and that is the church that is constituted from all believers.

01:06:05.763 --> 01:06:14.143
<v SPEAKER_1>So, if you happen to have one of these congregations near you, and they're a good one, because there are different branches of Lystadion.

01:06:14.143 --> 01:06:18.283
<v SPEAKER_1>You mentioned this one in particular, but they're different ones.

01:06:18.283 --> 01:06:24.423
<v SPEAKER_1>If they're good, they're not teaching anything weird, so they're not emphasizing some of these weird bits of their theology.

01:06:25.623 --> 01:06:27.923
<v SPEAKER_1>I don't have significant issues with them.

01:06:28.103 --> 01:06:35.503
<v SPEAKER_1>I don't believe that they actually hold to the Augsburg Confession, which is a meaningful point for Lutherans, right?

01:06:35.503 --> 01:06:37.643
<v SPEAKER_1>That is our confession.

01:06:37.643 --> 01:06:39.043
<v SPEAKER_1>They say that they hold to it.

01:06:39.043 --> 01:06:45.923
<v SPEAKER_1>This is sort of, I guess, inside baseball for Lutherans, but they hold to the Augsburg Confession.

01:06:45.923 --> 01:06:56.423
<v SPEAKER_1>I believe they also say they hold to Luther's catechisms and maybe the small cold articles, but I don't think they hold to the book, the formula of Concord, the last two documents in the book of Concord.

01:06:57.263 --> 01:07:00.423
<v SPEAKER_1>That's a little more common among Scandinavian Lutherans.

01:07:01.503 --> 01:07:02.663
<v SPEAKER_1>Are they Lutheran or not?

01:07:02.663 --> 01:07:04.843
<v SPEAKER_1>We could have that argument.

01:07:04.843 --> 01:07:27.583
<v SPEAKER_1>But I think the problem with the Lystadians is that they actually violate one of the articles of just the Augsburg Confession, because article 14 is about who should or should not publicly in the congregation administer the sacraments and teach and preach.

01:07:27.583 --> 01:07:30.643
<v SPEAKER_1>And we believe it is only those who have a rightly ordered call.

01:07:30.643 --> 01:07:37.323
<v SPEAKER_1>And incidentally, this article translated from the German with an AI, do not use the English translations.

01:07:37.323 --> 01:07:41.403
<v SPEAKER_1>They're really bad, which is unfortunate because it's really simple German.

01:07:41.403 --> 01:07:42.423
<v SPEAKER_1>They just botch it totally.

01:07:43.683 --> 01:07:55.023
<v SPEAKER_1>But, the Lystadians actually use lay ministers to, for instance, absolve people of sin in their services.

01:07:55.023 --> 01:07:59.503
<v SPEAKER_1>They're also kind of non-liturgical, so I have major problems with them.

01:07:59.503 --> 01:08:03.043
<v SPEAKER_1>But I could say that about the Baptists and many others as well.

01:08:03.043 --> 01:08:09.103
<v SPEAKER_1>So again, if you have a good congregation near you, then maybe it's worth considering.

01:08:09.103 --> 01:08:10.663
<v SPEAKER_1>It would not be my top choice.

01:08:11.263 --> 01:08:13.403
<v SPEAKER_1>It probably wouldn't be my top five.

01:08:13.403 --> 01:08:19.343
<v SPEAKER_1>But I don't know where you are, and I don't know what churches you have around you, and I don't know if you happen to have...

01:08:19.343 --> 01:08:21.983
<v SPEAKER_1>Maybe there's a really good one.

01:08:21.983 --> 01:08:25.523
<v SPEAKER_1>But that's sort of the general overview of the Lystadians.

01:08:25.523 --> 01:08:32.863
<v SPEAKER_1>And this particular group, the old Apostolic Lutherans, I believe they are the first of the three, and they claim to be...

01:08:32.863 --> 01:08:38.743
<v SPEAKER_1>They're one of the ones that claim to be the only one, and so they're going to say, you can't join another one because they're heretics.

01:08:42.003 --> 01:08:45.163
<v SPEAKER_1>But they're probably not relevant to you because there are so few of them.

01:08:48.203 --> 01:08:55.663
<v SPEAKER_1>Sort of a little bit of inside baseball for Lutheran and Lutheran-adjacent groups, but useful for some men.

01:08:57.043 --> 01:09:04.743
<v SPEAKER_1>The next question, question 13, I think I will also try to get to some of the questions from the chat.

01:09:04.743 --> 01:09:06.063
<v SPEAKER_1>I see someone brought up gambling.

01:09:06.063 --> 01:09:07.263
<v SPEAKER_1>I've commented on gambling before.

01:09:07.323 --> 01:09:13.803
<v SPEAKER_1>I'll just answer that one quickly before I get to question 13 proper, so this is, I guess, a little bonus question.

01:09:15.103 --> 01:09:26.663
<v SPEAKER_1>Gambling is not absolutely categorically morally impermissible, but it should not be something that we encourage as a society, not be something that we engage in an organized fashion.

01:09:26.663 --> 01:09:29.583
<v SPEAKER_1>So I would ban casinos and things like that.

01:09:29.583 --> 01:09:42.423
<v SPEAKER_1>But if you want to play a $10 poker game with your friends or whatever the equivalent is for you in your income bracket, $10, on Friday night, I have no moral objection to that whatsoever.

01:09:42.423 --> 01:09:46.643
<v SPEAKER_1>I don't see any way you could possibly object to that.

01:09:46.643 --> 01:09:49.023
<v SPEAKER_1>You know, it's a within reason sort of thing.

01:09:49.023 --> 01:09:52.243
<v SPEAKER_1>Don't gamble money that you can't lose.

01:09:52.243 --> 01:10:00.183
<v SPEAKER_1>And don't gamble huge amounts, don't make it your life or your entire personality.

01:10:00.183 --> 01:10:05.023
<v SPEAKER_1>It's fine as a hobby, basically, or just an activity that you do with friends on the weekend.

01:10:07.903 --> 01:10:09.263
<v SPEAKER_1>Question 13.

01:10:09.263 --> 01:10:20.443
<v SPEAKER_1>I know this has been covered extensively throughout the SC catalog and your Twitter account, but I find myself struggling to come up with a concise rebuttal to the claim that Jesus was a Jew.

01:10:20.443 --> 01:10:29.223
<v SPEAKER_1>The best I can muster is Jesus was a Judean, obviously, but modern Jews have almost nothing in common with them other than their satanic and murderous intentions.

01:10:30.103 --> 01:10:39.403
<v SPEAKER_1>Assuming all the baggage that comes along with someone that makes that statement, how would you respond to that claim in a way that makes sense to them?

01:10:41.523 --> 01:10:47.043
<v SPEAKER_1>The issue with the Jesus is a Jew thing, right?

01:10:47.043 --> 01:10:57.783
<v SPEAKER_1>First off, the people who say it often give away the game by saying Jesus was a Jew, and that use of the past tense is not determinative, right?

01:10:57.843 --> 01:11:03.963
<v SPEAKER_1>It doesn't always mean something, but it kind of implies something about the beliefs of the person advancing it.

01:11:03.963 --> 01:11:05.823
<v SPEAKER_1>You're probably not dealing with a Christian, right?

01:11:05.823 --> 01:11:09.963
<v SPEAKER_1>You're probably not even dealing with someone who is open to the idea of Christianity.

01:11:09.963 --> 01:11:13.643
<v SPEAKER_1>You're probably dealing with someone who is hostile to Christianity.

01:11:13.643 --> 01:11:26.343
<v SPEAKER_1>And my general approach, if someone pops into my replies at this point and just comments, well, Jesus was a Jew or Jesus something on those lines, it's almost always just that verbatim, I just block them.

01:11:27.303 --> 01:11:28.923
<v SPEAKER_1>I'm not going to get anywhere with that person.

01:11:28.923 --> 01:11:34.603
<v SPEAKER_1>The person is obviously just trying to sow discord and dissent and cause problems.

01:11:34.603 --> 01:11:38.543
<v SPEAKER_1>And it's a waste of everyone's time, and I'm not going to engage in it.

01:11:40.563 --> 01:12:03.183
<v SPEAKER_1>So if it is someone who is not that, if you happen to know this person to some extent, this is someone who has a legitimate concern, someone who has an actual curiosity, someone who actually will listen to what you are saying, then you can actually probably get somewhere by pointing out just the reality.

01:12:03.183 --> 01:12:07.623
<v SPEAKER_1>You can, of course, point them to the episode, which is the fuller treatment of it.

01:12:07.623 --> 01:12:15.703
<v SPEAKER_1>But I think the best starting point is use an analogy, right?

01:12:15.743 --> 01:12:21.543
<v SPEAKER_1>Use something on which you and that person agree, and it's going to depend on your context.

01:12:21.643 --> 01:12:30.863
<v SPEAKER_1>If I'm talking to an American audience, right, I could say something about the founding fathers, and were they American, right?

01:12:30.863 --> 01:12:33.343
<v SPEAKER_1>Was George Washington an American?

01:12:35.043 --> 01:12:39.263
<v SPEAKER_1>That rather depends on what I mean by a lot of different terms, doesn't it?

01:12:39.263 --> 01:12:40.963
<v SPEAKER_1>At what point in his life?

01:12:40.963 --> 01:12:44.143
<v SPEAKER_1>Because he was British, then he became American.

01:12:44.143 --> 01:12:46.843
<v SPEAKER_1>Was he American according to citizenship?

01:12:46.843 --> 01:12:53.263
<v SPEAKER_1>Well, after America became a thing, was he American according to blood and birth?

01:12:53.263 --> 01:12:56.123
<v SPEAKER_1>Yes, but also British.

01:12:56.123 --> 01:13:01.623
<v SPEAKER_1>And so you can see how it depends on what we mean by the term.

01:13:01.623 --> 01:13:03.963
<v SPEAKER_1>You can do the same thing with languages, right?

01:13:03.963 --> 01:13:13.343
<v SPEAKER_1>If I say, I speak English, is that the same thing as saying that Chaucer speaks English, spoke English?

01:13:13.403 --> 01:13:15.223
<v SPEAKER_1>Yes and no.

01:13:15.223 --> 01:13:19.223
<v SPEAKER_1>He spoke Middle English as a different thing.

01:13:19.223 --> 01:13:23.083
<v SPEAKER_1>Still English, so it depends what you mean by the term.

01:13:23.083 --> 01:13:34.043
<v SPEAKER_1>And you're basically trying to point out to the person, just because we're using a word doesn't mean that we're using it in the exact same sense, and doesn't mean that it has only one sense.

01:13:34.043 --> 01:13:36.343
<v SPEAKER_1>So you have to define your terms.

01:13:36.343 --> 01:13:45.963
<v SPEAKER_1>Anyone who has any familiarity with debate of any kind, discussion, academic, discourse, knows that one of the most important things is defining your terms.

01:13:45.963 --> 01:13:51.403
<v SPEAKER_1>Because if you don't define your terms, you're going to have a real problem.

01:13:51.403 --> 01:13:54.503
<v SPEAKER_1>You could give a concrete example, right?

01:13:54.503 --> 01:13:59.923
<v SPEAKER_1>Let's say, for instance, you are meeting someone for dinner, right?

01:13:59.923 --> 01:14:10.843
<v SPEAKER_1>And you say, we'll go to your favorite Italian restaurant, and you think his favorite Italian restaurant is restaurant A.

01:14:10.843 --> 01:14:15.563
<v SPEAKER_1>But he, in his own head, knows, oh, it's restaurant B, I'll meet you.

01:14:15.563 --> 01:14:18.343
<v SPEAKER_1>How likely are you to meet each other for dinner?

01:14:18.343 --> 01:14:25.403
<v SPEAKER_1>The answer is, you won't, because you're using the same term, favorite Italian restaurant, to mean two different things.

01:14:25.403 --> 01:14:27.723
<v SPEAKER_1>You have to know to what you're referring.

01:14:27.723 --> 01:14:34.623
<v SPEAKER_1>And so, this is where the episode really lays it out in a way that is going to be what you want for someone who's actually open to this.

01:14:35.043 --> 01:14:53.703
<v SPEAKER_1>But, when a modern, the short version for you, when a modern person says Jew, he means someone who does not believe in Jesus Christ, who does believe in the things the Jews believe, who is an inherent of Judaism, and is probably also ethnically Jewish.

01:14:55.643 --> 01:14:59.963
<v SPEAKER_1>Was Jesus a non-believer in Jesus?

01:15:00.983 --> 01:15:04.443
<v SPEAKER_1>I think that's probably already enough for most rational men to go, there's a problem here.

01:15:05.043 --> 01:15:09.143
<v SPEAKER_1>Okay, was Jesus a believer in Judaism?

01:15:09.143 --> 01:15:13.263
<v SPEAKER_1>No, because Judaism post-dates Christianity.

01:15:13.263 --> 01:15:29.623
<v SPEAKER_1>You have the Old Testament civil law, you have the ceremonial law, these were for Old Testament Israel, and are a separate thing from Judaism, which is Talmudic, and from the 500s AD, notably.

01:15:29.623 --> 01:15:30.563
<v SPEAKER_1>A little irony there as well.

01:15:32.043 --> 01:15:35.503
<v SPEAKER_1>That is something that doesn't even work chronologically.

01:15:35.503 --> 01:15:42.123
<v SPEAKER_1>And so, the only way in which you can say that he was a Jew is if you mean Judean.

01:15:43.823 --> 01:15:46.363
<v SPEAKER_1>But then, why are you using the word Jew?

01:15:46.363 --> 01:15:50.803
<v SPEAKER_1>Well, you're using it because you want to do something with the term.

01:15:50.803 --> 01:15:56.683
<v SPEAKER_1>The person using it is using it in a deliberate way, usually to sow discord.

01:15:56.683 --> 01:16:02.543
<v SPEAKER_1>And so I usually, like I said, block those people as malefactors, because they're just going to waste my time and everyone else's.

01:16:02.543 --> 01:16:13.103
<v SPEAKER_1>But you kind of have to run through the logic and point out to the person, just because you're using a word doesn't mean that everyone using the word means the same thing.

01:16:13.103 --> 01:16:17.223
<v SPEAKER_1>Another one that I've used sometimes is, you know, autoantonyms, right?

01:16:17.223 --> 01:16:20.343
<v SPEAKER_1>There are words that have opposite meanings.

01:16:20.343 --> 01:16:23.463
<v SPEAKER_1>You are supposed to cleave to your wife.

01:16:23.463 --> 01:16:32.463
<v SPEAKER_1>Well, that's not the sense we usually use these days in modern English, because the most common sense of that word now, cleave, is to split in two.

01:16:32.463 --> 01:16:39.203
<v SPEAKER_1>But the autoantonym of cleave also has a definition of to hold fast.

01:16:40.403 --> 01:16:43.843
<v SPEAKER_1>There are a number of words like that in English, so that's another good example you can give people.

01:16:43.843 --> 01:16:48.683
<v SPEAKER_1>You have to understand what you are saying when you use the term.

01:16:48.683 --> 01:16:59.883
<v SPEAKER_1>So, my first recommendation is just to block these people, because it really is just people trying to be divisive, for the sake of being divisive and obnoxious on social media.

01:16:59.883 --> 01:17:08.303
<v SPEAKER_1>But, if it is someone who is earnest, then by all means, take the time to try and understand, what is the person saying?

01:17:08.303 --> 01:17:08.923
<v SPEAKER_1>What are you claiming?

01:17:08.923 --> 01:17:10.823
<v SPEAKER_1>That's partly how you could start off.

01:17:10.823 --> 01:17:13.323
<v SPEAKER_1>I think this is usually a good way to do it.

01:17:13.323 --> 01:17:19.403
<v SPEAKER_1>If you're dealing with someone who makes some sort of claim and you object, just say, what do you mean?

01:17:19.403 --> 01:17:21.823
<v SPEAKER_1>What do you mean by the word Jew?

01:17:21.823 --> 01:17:23.603
<v SPEAKER_1>To you, what is a Jew?

01:17:24.503 --> 01:17:29.983
<v SPEAKER_1>And if he can't even define it, why is he asking you the question, right?

01:17:29.983 --> 01:17:31.403
<v SPEAKER_1>I think that's probably a good place to start.

01:17:31.403 --> 01:17:33.483
<v SPEAKER_1>Just ask him to define his terms.

01:17:36.783 --> 01:17:38.883
<v SPEAKER_1>That was question 13.

01:17:38.883 --> 01:17:45.643
<v SPEAKER_1>So now I can get to some of the questions that I pulled out of the chat earlier.

01:17:47.943 --> 01:17:49.103
<v SPEAKER_1>I'm going to scroll up here.

01:17:52.223 --> 01:17:54.103
<v SPEAKER_1>Question 14.

01:17:54.103 --> 01:18:01.223
<v SPEAKER_1>I will try to write these down as I go, so that I can add them into the show notes.

01:18:04.523 --> 01:18:15.403
<v SPEAKER_1>How do we square the necessity of incest for humanity to multiply out of Adam and Eve, and later from Noah's sons, with the fact that God's morality cannot change?

01:18:15.403 --> 01:18:19.983
<v SPEAKER_1>This is actually, interestingly, tangentially related to the last question.

01:18:19.983 --> 01:18:21.663
<v SPEAKER_1>We have to define our terms.

01:18:21.663 --> 01:18:35.423
<v SPEAKER_1>And so, if by incest, you mean someone producing children from someone who has similar blood, right?

01:18:35.423 --> 01:18:43.923
<v SPEAKER_1>Someone who is too closely related, consanguinity, then yes, you're going to have some sort of issue there, right?

01:18:45.183 --> 01:18:54.143
<v SPEAKER_1>But if you are instead appealing to the law and what is prohibited, that's a different thing.

01:18:54.143 --> 01:18:56.183
<v SPEAKER_1>For instance, we have this today.

01:18:56.183 --> 01:19:01.683
<v SPEAKER_1>There are countries that permit first cousin marriage, and there are countries that prohibit it.

01:19:01.683 --> 01:19:04.603
<v SPEAKER_1>In fact, there are states that permit it.

01:19:04.603 --> 01:19:16.723
<v SPEAKER_1>They shouldn't, but the issue is not that it is morally, absolutely, categorically prohibited in all cases.

01:19:16.723 --> 01:19:20.483
<v SPEAKER_1>And so, historically, yes, there are relationships that are, right?

01:19:20.483 --> 01:19:23.643
<v SPEAKER_1>You know, parent-child band, period.

01:19:23.643 --> 01:19:26.863
<v SPEAKER_1>Never acceptable violation of the moral law.

01:19:26.863 --> 01:19:36.583
<v SPEAKER_1>Siblings, permissible back then, because the degradation of the genome had not proceeded to the point where it would have caused problems.

01:19:36.583 --> 01:19:39.203
<v SPEAKER_1>That's basically the reason we have the law.

01:19:39.203 --> 01:19:45.083
<v SPEAKER_1>We don't have the law so much because it is an absolute moral prohibition.

01:19:45.083 --> 01:19:58.863
<v SPEAKER_1>Yes, God is now built into us disgust mechanism and revulsion and things like that to avoid these problems, but the reason the law is in place, the reason law was enacted, is because of the consequences of it.

01:19:58.863 --> 01:20:02.323
<v SPEAKER_1>What happens if you marry your first cousin for 500 years?

01:20:03.463 --> 01:20:12.923
<v SPEAKER_1>Well, you wind up with certain nations, and I'm sure we're all thinking of one in particular, but you wind up with problems, that you can avoid by not doing that.

01:20:12.923 --> 01:20:16.703
<v SPEAKER_1>And so that's why God has that law for us today.

01:20:16.703 --> 01:20:21.183
<v SPEAKER_1>Again, nothing absolutely categorically, morally impermissible there.

01:20:21.183 --> 01:20:25.203
<v SPEAKER_1>It is a matter of the consequences of the action post fall world.

01:20:25.203 --> 01:20:31.223
<v SPEAKER_1>So would God have made that a law in a world without the fall?

01:20:31.223 --> 01:20:32.843
<v SPEAKER_1>I don't know.

01:20:32.843 --> 01:20:38.363
<v SPEAKER_1>Maybe he would have for the sake of human diversity and spreading out over the planet and subduing the planet.

01:20:39.183 --> 01:20:44.643
<v SPEAKER_1>But it's a counterfactual, we can't run, because we don't know what the world would have been like without the fall.

01:20:44.643 --> 01:20:51.723
<v SPEAKER_1>We can't even envision that perfect world, because we're living post fall with the consequences of it in our own bodies and minds.

01:20:51.723 --> 01:20:58.083
<v SPEAKER_1>So it's not that God's law changed, it's that God enacted law to deal with something.

01:20:58.083 --> 01:21:01.623
<v SPEAKER_1>It's not that the morality of it changed, right?

01:21:01.663 --> 01:21:09.163
<v SPEAKER_1>Because, for instance, that there are certain relationships that are still absolutely categorically prohibited at all times, because it's a matter of the moral law.

01:21:09.163 --> 01:21:12.183
<v SPEAKER_1>But there are other things that aren't, they're basically civil law.

01:21:16.423 --> 01:21:21.863
<v SPEAKER_1>A second question from the same person, this is the question 15.

01:21:25.083 --> 01:21:29.143
<v SPEAKER_1>What is the best way to tackle the problem of the fate of the un-evangelized?

01:21:29.403 --> 01:21:37.443
<v SPEAKER_1>Is there a way for someone living in a society like Aristotle, or Aristotle himself, to dimly believe in Christ?

01:21:39.103 --> 01:21:45.503
<v SPEAKER_1>This is one that has come up many times, down through the centuries, of course.

01:21:45.503 --> 01:21:53.223
<v SPEAKER_1>And you have the Roman Catholics who start making things up to try to deal with this.

01:21:53.223 --> 01:21:56.363
<v SPEAKER_1>Limbo does not exist, it's not in scripture, things like that.

01:21:57.183 --> 01:22:18.043
<v SPEAKER_1>But I don't think you have to do that, because you have places in scripture where, for instance, God speaks of the times of ignorance he overlooked, and you have places where it speaks of the nations groping toward God to find the light, and you have places where God speaks of assignment and things like that.

01:22:18.043 --> 01:22:37.223
<v SPEAKER_1>So I don't think that we have, like, a hard and fast set of rules that we can say, oh, well, this pagan, this heathen, this unbeliever, whichever term you want to use, in this sense, not necessarily a pejorative sense of the term meant, this one went to paradise, and this one didn't.

01:22:37.223 --> 01:22:42.983
<v SPEAKER_1>I don't think we can do that, because God didn't give us enough information to make that call.

01:22:42.983 --> 01:22:46.023
<v SPEAKER_1>But we don't have to make that call, because that's God's call.

01:22:46.023 --> 01:22:56.603
<v SPEAKER_1>So do I think that there were those living in those societies who had enough of the light to be saved?

01:22:56.603 --> 01:22:58.903
<v SPEAKER_1>I think that's probably the case.

01:22:58.903 --> 01:23:04.703
<v SPEAKER_1>I think that God preserved enough of it in some way that that was possible.

01:23:04.703 --> 01:23:06.363
<v SPEAKER_1>I don't know exactly how that played out.

01:23:06.363 --> 01:23:08.723
<v SPEAKER_1>I won't even hazard a guess at the percentages.

01:23:08.723 --> 01:23:10.323
<v SPEAKER_1>I don't know.

01:23:10.323 --> 01:23:17.623
<v SPEAKER_1>But I don't think that we have to categorically say that everyone living in those societies was simply damned.

01:23:17.623 --> 01:23:24.503
<v SPEAKER_1>I think that goes overboard, and I think it also ignores some verses in scripture that hint at things that are not fully explained.

01:23:24.503 --> 01:23:33.643
<v SPEAKER_1>So we leave it to God's perfect mercy and perfect justice, and we're content with that, because God is perfect and He will do what is right.

01:23:40.445 --> 01:23:50.485
<v SPEAKER_1>Another question from the same person about original sin, let's see.

01:23:54.945 --> 01:24:03.185
<v SPEAKER_1>Basically, the question over a few messages here is, how does inheriting original sin actually work?

01:24:03.185 --> 01:24:06.185
<v SPEAKER_1>And so, there are two aspects to this.

01:24:07.285 --> 01:24:11.425
<v SPEAKER_1>One, you have concupiscence, which is what original sin is.

01:24:11.425 --> 01:24:27.165
<v SPEAKER_1>It's the desire to do that which is wicked, a desire contrary to God, and a lack of original righteousness, and in a sense, also a lack of the imago dei, the image of God in man, which is tied up with original righteousness and things like that.

01:24:27.165 --> 01:24:38.125
<v SPEAKER_1>And original sin impairs these things in man, thoroughly impairs these things, but doesn't replace them because that would be to confuse substance and accident, right?

01:24:38.125 --> 01:24:50.445
<v SPEAKER_1>But it impairs them in man, and it does it in such a way that everything we do is tainted by sin, because we are sinners, as I've pointed out many times before, and will undoubtedly many times in the future.

01:24:50.445 --> 01:24:52.365
<v SPEAKER_1>We sin because we're sinners.

01:24:52.365 --> 01:24:54.505
<v SPEAKER_1>We're not sinners because we sin.

01:24:54.505 --> 01:25:02.345
<v SPEAKER_1>Yes, we're also additionally sinners because we sin, but the reason we sin in the first place is because we're sinners, and we're sinners because we fell in Adam.

01:25:02.965 --> 01:25:08.845
<v SPEAKER_1>You can think of this as similar to, I think it's the seventh chapter of Hebrews.

01:25:08.845 --> 01:25:18.125
<v SPEAKER_1>You have the author of Hebrews pulling out the example of the Levites tithing to Melchizedek.

01:25:18.125 --> 01:25:19.665
<v SPEAKER_1>Well, the Levites didn't exist yet.

01:25:19.665 --> 01:25:25.605
<v SPEAKER_1>It was Abraham who did, but the Levites were in his loins in the word of scripture.

01:25:25.605 --> 01:25:28.065
<v SPEAKER_1>And that's the way you have to think about these things.

01:25:29.525 --> 01:25:40.445
<v SPEAKER_1>When Adam fell, Adam being the head, the federal head of all creation, not just of mankind, but of creation, everything fell in Adam.

01:25:40.445 --> 01:25:43.545
<v SPEAKER_1>You fell when Adam fell.

01:25:43.545 --> 01:25:47.325
<v SPEAKER_1>You were already corrupt at that point.

01:25:47.325 --> 01:25:55.805
<v SPEAKER_1>Yes, you are then born, and you inherit as part of that process, original sin, but you fell in Adam, because the fall happened then.

01:25:56.405 --> 01:26:02.145
<v SPEAKER_1>It's not a fall every single time some new creature comes into existence.

01:26:02.145 --> 01:26:03.565
<v SPEAKER_1>The fall happened with Adam.

01:26:03.565 --> 01:26:06.345
<v SPEAKER_1>It corrupted all things at that time.

01:26:06.345 --> 01:26:17.605
<v SPEAKER_1>Now, the cumulative effects of the fall, related to the previous two questions, primarily the first question, those cumulative effects over time get worse.

01:26:17.605 --> 01:26:23.825
<v SPEAKER_1>And so, if you ignore God's laws, and you do the wicked things that the Canaanites did, right?

01:26:24.405 --> 01:26:30.365
<v SPEAKER_1>Incest was part of how they worshiped their gods, and child sacrifice, and all sorts of horrible things.

01:26:30.365 --> 01:26:40.625
<v SPEAKER_1>If you do that, the effects of that accumulate over time, and you wind up worse off physically, with regard to your body.

01:26:40.625 --> 01:26:54.705
<v SPEAKER_1>Yes, there's also a relationship between, of course, the soul and the body, but it is not original sin that directly causes all of those consequences down through the centuries.

01:26:54.705 --> 01:26:58.085
<v SPEAKER_1>There are intervening, there are intermediate steps.

01:26:58.085 --> 01:27:04.865
<v SPEAKER_1>There are the actions of your wicked ancestors accumulating over a course of many generations.

01:27:04.865 --> 01:27:18.485
<v SPEAKER_1>So you have original sin, everyone fell when Adam fell, you inherit it through natural generation, and then you have also this accumulation of consequences of wicked actions subsequent to the fall by previous generations.

01:27:19.165 --> 01:27:30.685
<v SPEAKER_1>So, you have to have a generational outlook and a headship view of these things, not an individual view, because you're not a disconnected individual, you're a link in a chain, leading all the way back to Adam.

01:27:39.274 --> 01:27:44.794
<v SPEAKER_1>Person also asked a question about, how do we balance prayer and the sovereign will of God?

01:27:44.794 --> 01:27:49.234
<v SPEAKER_1>I went over that in a previous episode, so I would just direct you to that.

01:27:49.234 --> 01:27:59.934
<v SPEAKER_1>Maybe someone knows which specific episode, I don't know off the top of my head which one it was, but basically the short version is that time and causation don't apply to God.

01:27:59.934 --> 01:28:04.474
<v SPEAKER_1>So you're thinking about it from a human framework, don't think about it from God's viewpoint.

01:28:10.834 --> 01:28:13.774
<v SPEAKER_1>So write those down so I remember them for later.

01:28:20.172 --> 01:28:22.572
<v SPEAKER_1>The next question, question 18.

01:28:23.912 --> 01:28:27.932
<v SPEAKER_1>What do you believe about partial preterism in regard to end times beliefs?

01:28:27.932 --> 01:28:32.292
<v SPEAKER_1>How do you deal with the time indicators this generation shortly take place?

01:28:33.932 --> 01:28:43.052
<v SPEAKER_1>This is a broad topic, so I'm going to do a superficial treatment of it right now because I'm not going to spend, you know, an hour right now going over this.

01:28:43.052 --> 01:28:58.952
<v SPEAKER_1>Insofar as the fulfillment of prophecy is concerned, there are some prophecies that have been fulfilled, but for most prophecies, particularly eschatological prophecies, prophecies dealing with the end times, you have sort of a cyclical fulfillment.

01:28:58.952 --> 01:29:16.852
<v SPEAKER_1>You'll have lesser fulfillments in the sense of sort of minor, just not complete, not, you know, lesser in the sense of unimportant, but you'll have them basically symbolizing or mirroring in an essence the future full fulfillment of the thing.

01:29:17.752 --> 01:29:20.372
<v SPEAKER_1>And God loves to do this.

01:29:20.372 --> 01:29:26.132
<v SPEAKER_1>God loves symbolism, God loves typology.

01:29:26.132 --> 01:29:28.552
<v SPEAKER_1>This is how he likes to do things.

01:29:28.552 --> 01:29:32.012
<v SPEAKER_1>You have this all over the Old Testament and the New Testament as well.

01:29:32.012 --> 01:29:41.952
<v SPEAKER_1>And so, for instance, you have Abraham serving as both a type of Christ and a type of God, right, because he's sacrificing his son.

01:29:41.952 --> 01:29:48.952
<v SPEAKER_1>In his case, he doesn't actually sacrifice his son, but it's typologically connected to God sacrificing his son.

01:29:48.952 --> 01:30:00.772
<v SPEAKER_1>You have the times where he delivers his relatives serving as a type of Christ, delivering from, not from relatives, but from Satan, so a greater fulfillment, the antitype versus the type.

01:30:00.772 --> 01:30:07.392
<v SPEAKER_1>You have Joseph as a type of Christ who goes ahead of the people and then comes out of Egypt and things like that.

01:30:07.392 --> 01:30:10.392
<v SPEAKER_1>You have Israel itself serving as a type of Christ.

01:30:11.332 --> 01:30:20.912
<v SPEAKER_1>In bondage, in Israel and being called out of that bondage, right, symbolizing sin and things like that, this is all over the scriptures.

01:30:20.912 --> 01:30:24.112
<v SPEAKER_1>The same thing happens with prophecies about the end times.

01:30:24.112 --> 01:30:34.252
<v SPEAKER_1>You have minor fulfillments, you have typological fulfillments, and then for most of them, there is a future true fulfillment.

01:30:34.252 --> 01:30:44.672
<v SPEAKER_1>And so, for those who wouldn't, for instance, pass away until these things take place, 70 AD was one of the fulfillments, when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem.

01:30:44.672 --> 01:30:57.232
<v SPEAKER_1>And so, sometimes when Christ is talking about it, he is meaning that fulfillment in that typological sense, not the ultimate one that will come at some point in the future, even from our perspective.

01:30:57.232 --> 01:31:02.692
<v SPEAKER_1>So, insofar as partial preterism is concerned, it depends on what the person means by it.

01:31:02.692 --> 01:31:07.152
<v SPEAKER_1>If they just mean that some things have been fulfilled, okay, fine.

01:31:07.152 --> 01:31:13.992
<v SPEAKER_1>If they mean that some things have been fulfilled in a way that means they can't have a future greater fulfillment, then I probably disagree.

01:31:13.992 --> 01:31:21.552
<v SPEAKER_1>Because I think that, generally speaking, there are future greater fulfillments even for the prophecies that have had minor fulfillments in the past.

01:31:28.707 --> 01:31:31.567
<v SPEAKER_1>The next question.

01:31:31.567 --> 01:31:39.247
<v SPEAKER_1>I don't know how many more I'm going to go through, probably not too many more though, since we've run about an hour and a half, I think.

01:31:40.427 --> 01:31:43.927
<v SPEAKER_1>Question regarding the Pentecostal or Charismatic movements.

01:31:43.927 --> 01:31:50.667
<v SPEAKER_1>I understand the argument against them for being modern innovations, 1900s and 1960s respectively.

01:31:50.667 --> 01:31:51.787
<v SPEAKER_1>True.

01:31:51.787 --> 01:32:02.827
<v SPEAKER_1>And I am aware of many of the excesses that go on, but what is the theological argument against the common use of spiritual gifts in church that seems to be laid out in 1st Corinthians 12?

01:32:04.567 --> 01:32:17.027
<v SPEAKER_1>And so we will, of course, turn to 1st Corinthians 12, because it is always best to actually look at the scripture when we are going to use it.

01:32:18.827 --> 01:32:21.747
<v SPEAKER_1>And so we'll pull up Logos here.

01:32:24.747 --> 01:32:25.127
<v SPEAKER_1>And.

01:32:32.865 --> 01:32:36.965
<v SPEAKER_1>Now, concerning spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be uninformed.

01:32:36.965 --> 01:32:42.165
<v SPEAKER_1>You know that when you were pagans, you were led astray to mute idols, however you were led.

01:32:42.165 --> 01:32:51.805
<v SPEAKER_1>Therefore, I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says Jesus is accursed, and no one can say Jesus is Lord except in the Holy Spirit.

01:32:51.805 --> 01:33:03.505
<v SPEAKER_1>Now, there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit, and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord, and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all and everyone.

01:33:03.505 --> 01:33:31.405
<v SPEAKER_1>To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good, for to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.

01:33:31.405 --> 01:33:37.945
<v SPEAKER_1>All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually, as he wills.

01:33:40.685 --> 01:33:50.025
<v SPEAKER_1>So the question for the gifts, right, is, well, first off, are you a cessationist or not, right?

01:33:50.025 --> 01:33:51.145
<v SPEAKER_1>That's sort of the first step.

01:33:51.145 --> 01:34:02.525
<v SPEAKER_1>Lutherans are not, at least not in the sense of being a full cessationist, which basically means, have the sign gifts, these sorts of gifts, ceased in the modern church?

01:34:02.525 --> 01:34:05.245
<v SPEAKER_1>Has God stopped handing these things out?

01:34:05.245 --> 01:34:08.345
<v SPEAKER_1>Lutherans are not full cessationists.

01:34:08.345 --> 01:34:14.225
<v SPEAKER_1>Now, have these things certainly petered off, right?

01:34:14.225 --> 01:34:15.825
<v SPEAKER_1>Are they less frequent these days?

01:34:15.905 --> 01:34:27.205
<v SPEAKER_1>Absolutely, because by and large, God was using these in order to establish the early church in a way that was completely irrefutable, right?

01:34:27.205 --> 01:34:29.225
<v SPEAKER_1>And you can think of Christ's words, right?

01:34:29.225 --> 01:34:32.205
<v SPEAKER_1>Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe.

01:34:32.205 --> 01:34:38.845
<v SPEAKER_1>And so, is it more blessed to believe, despite not having had sort of the thunderbolt from heaven strike you?

01:34:38.845 --> 01:34:41.405
<v SPEAKER_1>Yes, Scripture is very clear on that.

01:34:42.785 --> 01:34:44.925
<v SPEAKER_1>But that doesn't mean these gifts are never given out.

01:34:45.725 --> 01:34:48.905
<v SPEAKER_1>And so, are there people who have these gifts?

01:34:48.905 --> 01:34:51.765
<v SPEAKER_1>I would say yes, there probably are.

01:34:51.765 --> 01:34:54.525
<v SPEAKER_1>The issue would be identifying them, right?

01:34:54.525 --> 01:34:55.645
<v SPEAKER_1>And you have to test the spirits.

01:34:55.645 --> 01:34:59.945
<v SPEAKER_1>You have to discern whether or not this is someone who has these abilities.

01:34:59.945 --> 01:35:15.725
<v SPEAKER_1>And I think that the issue with regard to the Pentecostals and others is that it never takes the form that we see in the ancient church, and it never takes a form that is good and orderly and builds up.

01:35:15.725 --> 01:35:18.085
<v SPEAKER_1>It's always chaos.

01:35:18.085 --> 01:35:22.885
<v SPEAKER_1>And for some reason, it's always speaking in tongues, right?

01:35:22.885 --> 01:35:32.205
<v SPEAKER_1>When's the last time you went to a Pentecostal service and saw someone tell a cripple, stand up and go home?

01:35:32.205 --> 01:35:35.805
<v SPEAKER_1>If someone does that, then okay, I'm going to say fine, he has the gift of healing.

01:35:35.805 --> 01:35:40.605
<v SPEAKER_1>God has given him the gift of healing, as long as he can also say Jesus is Lord.

01:35:40.605 --> 01:35:44.385
<v SPEAKER_1>But it's never that, it's always someone standing up and screaming gibberish.

01:35:44.385 --> 01:35:46.925
<v SPEAKER_1>Well, what does it say just even here?

01:35:46.925 --> 01:35:50.925
<v SPEAKER_1>Some are given the gift of tongues, and some the interpretation of tongues.

01:35:50.925 --> 01:35:58.125
<v SPEAKER_1>And then there are other places, of course, where Paul says, unless someone is present to interpret, shut up, is basically what Paul says.

01:35:58.125 --> 01:36:01.065
<v SPEAKER_1>He says it in a slightly nicer fashion, that's what he's saying.

01:36:01.065 --> 01:36:09.925
<v SPEAKER_1>Okay, if someone is present to interpret what it is you're saying, and what you're saying is coherent, then by all means, maybe God is...

01:36:09.925 --> 01:36:11.765
<v SPEAKER_1>But there's also the misunderstanding.

01:36:11.765 --> 01:36:16.905
<v SPEAKER_1>People think that tongues are some new language God has given you.

01:36:16.905 --> 01:36:18.425
<v SPEAKER_1>Think of Pentecost.

01:36:18.425 --> 01:36:24.605
<v SPEAKER_1>The gift of tongues was so that men could understand what was being said in their own languages.

01:36:24.605 --> 01:36:25.365
<v SPEAKER_1>Great.

01:36:25.365 --> 01:36:44.925
<v SPEAKER_1>If someone who has spent his entire life living in the United States has never left whatever state, I won't pick one because someone will be annoyed that I'm picking on their state, but someone has lived in this state in his entire life, never left, knows only English, and suddenly stands up in church and he speaks fluent Dutch.

01:36:44.925 --> 01:36:45.925
<v SPEAKER_1>Okay, fine.

01:36:45.925 --> 01:36:48.645
<v SPEAKER_1>He has the gift of tongues.

01:36:48.645 --> 01:36:52.885
<v SPEAKER_1>But it's never Dutch or German or French.

01:36:52.885 --> 01:36:54.425
<v SPEAKER_1>It's gibberish.

01:36:54.425 --> 01:36:56.625
<v SPEAKER_1>That's the problem that I have with Pentecostalism.

01:36:57.785 --> 01:36:59.425
<v SPEAKER_1>It's emotionalism.

01:36:59.425 --> 01:37:01.205
<v SPEAKER_1>It is enthusiasm.

01:37:01.205 --> 01:37:07.585
<v SPEAKER_1>It is a denial of the way in which God has said that he wants to work with and through his people.

01:37:07.585 --> 01:37:16.405
<v SPEAKER_1>Because God is very clear in the scriptures that the way that he works with his people, the way that he bestows his gifts is the word and the sacraments.

01:37:16.405 --> 01:37:22.485
<v SPEAKER_1>And the enthusiasts always go for the burning and the bosom, which is the same argument that we hear from the Mormons.

01:37:22.485 --> 01:37:26.265
<v SPEAKER_1>And I give it about the same cretins that I give the Mormons.

01:37:26.265 --> 01:37:33.365
<v SPEAKER_1>That would be the real issue that I have with regard to the Pentecostals, the Charismatics, and any of the sign gifts.

01:37:34.085 --> 01:37:35.505
<v SPEAKER_1>They are less common these days.

01:37:35.825 --> 01:37:38.105
<v SPEAKER_1>It doesn't mean they have ceased totally.

01:37:38.105 --> 01:37:49.705
<v SPEAKER_1>But demonstrate them in a way that is consonant with scripture, that is a matter of good order, and is real as opposed to what I always see when I see the Pentecostals.

01:37:49.705 --> 01:37:51.325
<v SPEAKER_1>Don't just stand up and scream gibberish.

01:37:51.325 --> 01:37:52.925
<v SPEAKER_1>Anyone can do that.

01:37:54.385 --> 01:37:56.725
<v SPEAKER_1>Play any online game and you'll hear that in voice chat.

01:38:05.083 --> 01:38:09.923
<v SPEAKER_1>See a couple of questions popped up and people answered them with stone choir episodes, so I can keep scrolling.

01:38:19.677 --> 01:38:27.997
<v SPEAKER_1>I'm going to guess that the question about Eastern esoteric practices regarding sexuality is meant as a joke.

01:38:29.017 --> 01:38:38.297
<v SPEAKER_1>So, but the real answer to that question, not directly, but indirectly, is that you should be having sex with your wife frequently.

01:38:38.297 --> 01:38:41.037
<v SPEAKER_1>Pretty much as often as you can manage in your schedule.

01:38:42.917 --> 01:38:49.717
<v SPEAKER_1>Another reason to go back to the earlier question of cardio and lifting heavy things, is hopefully the heavy thing not being your wife in this case.

01:39:00.370 --> 01:39:01.930
<v SPEAKER_1>Question 20.

01:39:01.930 --> 01:39:05.850
<v SPEAKER_1>I won't count the question about sex as a question, but question 20.

01:39:05.850 --> 01:39:10.410
<v SPEAKER_1>I have a close friend looking to get into reading the Bible for the first time.

01:39:10.410 --> 01:39:12.430
<v SPEAKER_1>What order would you recommend?

01:39:12.430 --> 01:39:15.190
<v SPEAKER_1>Mark, Luke first, Acts, then some letters.

01:39:15.190 --> 01:39:19.010
<v SPEAKER_1>I think that's probably a pretty good way to go about it.

01:39:19.010 --> 01:39:22.710
<v SPEAKER_1>Part of it depends on your friend, right?

01:39:22.710 --> 01:39:24.130
<v SPEAKER_1>You know your friend better than I do.

01:39:24.130 --> 01:39:29.690
<v SPEAKER_1>If he's the sort of man who will enjoy Job, then by all means read Job, Proverbs.

01:39:29.690 --> 01:39:45.570
<v SPEAKER_1>For the average person though, I think Luke is probably my general first recommendation for a European, for a white man, because it reads more like how we think.

01:39:45.570 --> 01:39:48.210
<v SPEAKER_1>Unsurprising, Luke being Greek.

01:39:48.210 --> 01:39:51.630
<v SPEAKER_1>So I think Luke first, then maybe Mark.

01:39:53.430 --> 01:40:02.790
<v SPEAKER_1>John is more heavily theological, so if your friend has the mind for that, he will probably enjoy John.

01:40:02.790 --> 01:40:16.670
<v SPEAKER_1>I mean, obviously, you eventually get around to John, but you could recommend John Acts, of course, is also a very good one to have early on to learn about how the early church handled things, how it spread, some of the history to tie things in in a concrete way.

01:40:17.950 --> 01:40:38.790
<v SPEAKER_1>And then definitely Genesis should be in your top handful, top five probably, top five, top six, because Genesis is going to give you a grounding in the history, and you're going to start seeing echoes in the New Testament of things that take place in the Old Testament.

01:40:38.790 --> 01:40:48.670
<v SPEAKER_1>And that's an important part of the Christian faith, is recognizing that continuity exists, and that God has been consistent over a course of many generations.

01:40:48.670 --> 01:41:01.990
<v SPEAKER_1>And then, of course, to answer the theological questions, Romans, and if your friend is the kind of man who's going to enjoy John, then Hebrews, right?

01:41:01.990 --> 01:41:05.090
<v SPEAKER_1>Get around to Revelation whenever you get around to it.

01:41:05.090 --> 01:41:09.030
<v SPEAKER_1>Guys go off the rails, Revelation, so it's not ever going to be in my top recommendations.

01:41:26.436 --> 01:41:31.396
<v SPEAKER_1>Someone asked about the Stone Choir intro theme, and if it changed.

01:41:31.396 --> 01:41:34.876
<v SPEAKER_1>If it did, that was not intentional.

01:41:36.336 --> 01:41:42.496
<v SPEAKER_1>So if that changed, it would probably be when I changed...

01:41:44.376 --> 01:41:54.116
<v SPEAKER_1>I think I may have edited the really early episodes, initially in Garage Band, and then switched to Logic Pro.

01:41:54.116 --> 01:42:01.036
<v SPEAKER_1>But those two DAWs should be totally compatible, so I don't know why that would change.

01:42:01.036 --> 01:42:05.076
<v SPEAKER_1>So if that changed, good ear.

01:42:05.076 --> 01:42:09.296
<v SPEAKER_1>I don't have perfect pitch, so at least I don't think I have perfect pitch.

01:42:09.296 --> 01:42:10.696
<v SPEAKER_1>I've never tested myself for it.

01:42:10.696 --> 01:42:11.696
<v SPEAKER_1>I don't believe I do.

01:42:11.696 --> 01:42:16.116
<v SPEAKER_1>So if you notice something that I didn't notice, well done.

01:42:16.116 --> 01:42:17.316
<v SPEAKER_1>But I did not do it intentionally.

01:42:18.356 --> 01:42:19.336
<v SPEAKER_1>It was not an Easter egg.

01:42:19.936 --> 01:42:20.016
<v SPEAKER_1>So.

01:42:26.908 --> 01:42:35.408
<v SPEAKER_1>Okay, I think I will go with one more question for this episode, and then call it an evening so you can all as well get to your weekends.

01:42:38.388 --> 01:42:46.128
<v SPEAKER_1>I will have to pick a question that is about someone I know, because I scrolled to a question and gave me a name of someone I do not know.

01:42:48.328 --> 01:42:48.648
<v SPEAKER_1>Let's see.

01:42:56.541 --> 01:42:58.861
<v SPEAKER_1>I am not German slash Nordic.

01:42:58.861 --> 01:43:02.061
<v SPEAKER_1>How can I feel like I'm not larking by joining a Lutheran church?

01:43:02.061 --> 01:43:09.761
<v SPEAKER_1>I am Iberian and Irish and agree with the Book of Concord, but I feel like I'm larking because my ancestors weren't Lutheran.

01:43:11.681 --> 01:43:17.861
<v SPEAKER_1>I don't think that the problem there is that your ancestors weren't Lutheran.

01:43:17.861 --> 01:43:22.121
<v SPEAKER_1>So, and I'm going to, two different lines here.

01:43:22.141 --> 01:43:24.061
<v SPEAKER_1>One is the theology, right?

01:43:24.901 --> 01:43:32.221
<v SPEAKER_1>We all should agree on the theology because the theology is a statement of truths about the Christian faith.

01:43:32.221 --> 01:43:37.341
<v SPEAKER_1>It's a statement of the tenets of the Christian faith and an explanation of them.

01:43:37.341 --> 01:43:44.381
<v SPEAKER_1>We should all agree on that because insofar as we are correct about them, we should all want to be correct.

01:43:44.381 --> 01:43:45.941
<v SPEAKER_1>And I believe Lutheranism is correct.

01:43:45.941 --> 01:43:51.101
<v SPEAKER_1>You say you agree with the Book of Concord, that's going to be a great step in the right direction.

01:43:51.101 --> 01:43:51.941
<v SPEAKER_1>We agree on that.

01:43:53.221 --> 01:43:58.341
<v SPEAKER_1>The other aspect of this, though, is insofar as praxis is concerned.

01:43:58.341 --> 01:44:02.221
<v SPEAKER_1>So as opposed to sort of theology is the theory, right?

01:44:02.221 --> 01:44:04.341
<v SPEAKER_1>Doctrine is the theory.

01:44:04.341 --> 01:44:09.501
<v SPEAKER_1>What you do in church and how you live out your Christian life is the praxis.

01:44:09.501 --> 01:44:11.801
<v SPEAKER_1>That's going to have some similarities.

01:44:11.801 --> 01:44:13.101
<v SPEAKER_1>We're all going to pray.

01:44:13.101 --> 01:44:15.161
<v SPEAKER_1>We're all going to sing in church.

01:44:15.161 --> 01:44:18.861
<v SPEAKER_1>I guess harkening back to the question about the Lystadians, they don't use instruments.

01:44:18.921 --> 01:44:20.501
<v SPEAKER_1>I like instruments.

01:44:20.501 --> 01:44:22.001
<v SPEAKER_1>Lutherans always use them.

01:44:22.001 --> 01:44:23.861
<v SPEAKER_1>I'm sure you agree on that.

01:44:25.021 --> 01:44:31.661
<v SPEAKER_1>These things, and many like them, are going to be similar across denominations, right?

01:44:33.121 --> 01:44:35.941
<v SPEAKER_1>So, that is good.

01:44:35.941 --> 01:44:37.321
<v SPEAKER_1>We should have some similarities.

01:44:37.321 --> 01:44:39.401
<v SPEAKER_1>We're worshipping the same God.

01:44:39.401 --> 01:44:41.621
<v SPEAKER_1>We're all Christians.

01:44:41.621 --> 01:44:44.381
<v SPEAKER_1>But we're not racially identical.

01:44:44.381 --> 01:44:46.281
<v SPEAKER_1>We're not racially interchangeable.

01:44:47.301 --> 01:44:49.621
<v SPEAKER_1>And there's nothing wrong with that.

01:44:49.621 --> 01:44:52.861
<v SPEAKER_1>The Irish should not worship in the same way as the Germans.

01:44:52.861 --> 01:44:57.221
<v SPEAKER_1>The British are not going to worship in the same way as the Germans.

01:44:57.221 --> 01:45:01.081
<v SPEAKER_1>And you can get differences that are even more significant, right?

01:45:01.081 --> 01:45:05.461
<v SPEAKER_1>The Russians are not going to worship in the same way as the Spanish.

01:45:05.461 --> 01:45:08.441
<v SPEAKER_1>The Spanish won't worship in the same way as the Japanese.

01:45:08.441 --> 01:45:10.081
<v SPEAKER_1>There's nothing wrong with that.

01:45:10.081 --> 01:45:14.821
<v SPEAKER_1>There's going to be an ethnic, a racial, a national expression of Christianity.

01:45:15.501 --> 01:45:24.001
<v SPEAKER_1>As long as you maintain the right doctrine and that core of reverence, I don't think you should be completely irreverent in church.

01:45:24.001 --> 01:45:26.661
<v SPEAKER_1>But different levels of that, right?

01:45:26.661 --> 01:45:31.001
<v SPEAKER_1>Germans are going to be a little more rule-bound, as it were.

01:45:32.161 --> 01:45:35.001
<v SPEAKER_1>The expressions are going to be different, and I think that's a good thing.

01:45:35.001 --> 01:45:38.281
<v SPEAKER_1>God wanted diversity in this world.

01:45:38.281 --> 01:45:39.861
<v SPEAKER_1>Diversity is not a dirty word.

01:45:40.561 --> 01:45:44.801
<v SPEAKER_1>Diversity is a good thing that God wanted in its place.

01:45:44.801 --> 01:45:50.961
<v SPEAKER_1>The problem is when you have it mixed up in a way that destroys what God actually wanted.

01:45:50.961 --> 01:45:53.881
<v SPEAKER_1>You can think of it like invasive species, right?

01:45:53.881 --> 01:46:04.781
<v SPEAKER_1>There is a diversity of life on this planet, but if you have a species that's supposed to be in one place and it's in another, it's going to be destructive to that environment because it shouldn't be there.

01:46:04.781 --> 01:46:07.441
<v SPEAKER_1>Or it will get destroyed by the environment, which is actually the better outcome.

01:46:08.561 --> 01:46:12.561
<v SPEAKER_1>So, there's nothing wrong with having these different expressions.

01:46:12.561 --> 01:46:25.521
<v SPEAKER_1>I wish that there were a significant Lutheran Church in Ireland, and in Spain, and in Italy, and I wish that those were respectively Irish, Spanish, and Italian.

01:46:25.521 --> 01:46:26.941
<v SPEAKER_1>That's how it should be.

01:46:26.941 --> 01:46:35.701
<v SPEAKER_1>I don't want the Irish to take the German Lutheran Church, transplant it into Ireland, and then go to church on Sunday and pretend they're German.

01:46:35.701 --> 01:46:36.401
<v SPEAKER_1>That's absurd.

01:46:37.241 --> 01:46:40.501
<v SPEAKER_1>I want them to be faithful Christians.

01:46:40.501 --> 01:46:55.461
<v SPEAKER_1>It happens to be, I believe, that is the Lutheran expression of Christianity, and so doctrinally and theologically, I want them to be essentially identical to the Germans, but not with regard to the praxis, because I want them to be Irish Christians.

01:46:55.461 --> 01:47:01.501
<v SPEAKER_1>The same as I want Americans to be American Christians, not French Christians or British Christians.

01:47:01.501 --> 01:47:05.521
<v SPEAKER_1>We're going to express things in similar ways, because those are our cousins.

01:47:06.361 --> 01:47:11.761
<v SPEAKER_1>But they will be distinct still, because they're different from us, we're different from them.

01:47:11.761 --> 01:47:21.421
<v SPEAKER_1>So it's not a larp to join a Lutheran church, because you're not joining it because, oh, it's German, or, oh, it's Nordic, right?

01:47:21.421 --> 01:47:23.961
<v SPEAKER_1>The Nordics weren't originally Lutheran either.

01:47:23.961 --> 01:47:25.921
<v SPEAKER_1>Lutheranism had to spread there.

01:47:25.921 --> 01:47:33.961
<v SPEAKER_1>And you could even think back all the way to the beginnings of Christianity in, you know, Greece and in Rome, right, for us Europeans.

01:47:34.061 --> 01:47:40.821
<v SPEAKER_1>Because it didn't start off with the Germans, the Germanics being Christian.

01:47:40.821 --> 01:47:47.061
<v SPEAKER_1>We had to be re-Christianized, and the Celts had to be re-Christianized, and the Slavs had to be re-Christianized.

01:47:47.061 --> 01:47:54.301
<v SPEAKER_1>In fact, they had to have an alphabet given to them by Christians in order to spread the word for them, right?

01:47:54.301 --> 01:47:58.421
<v SPEAKER_1>So you're not LARPing as a Lutheran.

01:47:59.281 --> 01:48:04.201
<v SPEAKER_1>You're just being an Irish and Spanish, in this case, Lutheran.

01:48:04.201 --> 01:48:12.181
<v SPEAKER_1>You're being what you are, but adhering to what you have been convinced is the actual true statement of the Christian faith.

01:48:12.181 --> 01:48:15.781
<v SPEAKER_1>So don't pretend you're German, because you're not.

01:48:15.781 --> 01:48:18.161
<v SPEAKER_1>Don't pretend you're Swedish, because you're not.

01:48:18.161 --> 01:48:24.681
<v SPEAKER_1>But being Lutheran is not inconsistent with being whatever you happen to be.

01:48:24.681 --> 01:48:31.901
<v SPEAKER_1>This is the same sort of thing that I get to explain to the ones who will listen anyway, neo-pagans and some others, right?

01:48:31.901 --> 01:48:36.501
<v SPEAKER_1>It's not inconsistent to be a German and a Christian.

01:48:36.501 --> 01:48:40.601
<v SPEAKER_1>It's not inconsistent to be an American and a Christian.

01:48:40.601 --> 01:48:45.161
<v SPEAKER_1>The inconsistency would be pretending you're a Jew, which you're not.

01:48:45.161 --> 01:48:46.881
<v SPEAKER_1>And you know what?

01:48:46.881 --> 01:48:51.761
<v SPEAKER_1>The one thing that above all certainly destroys a Jew is when he becomes a Christian.

01:48:51.761 --> 01:48:58.901
<v SPEAKER_1>Granted, I don't think that that really happens these days, as some of my more recent posts on X certainly indicate.

01:48:58.901 --> 01:49:16.161
<v SPEAKER_1>But there's nothing wrong with being a member of the denomination, the tradition of Christianity, that you believe is consonant with scripture, even if it is something that has been ethnically something slightly different from you, right?

01:49:16.161 --> 01:49:20.861
<v SPEAKER_1>And in this case, yes, it's different, but it's not a world of difference.

01:49:20.861 --> 01:49:29.521
<v SPEAKER_1>It's not like I'm saying, you know, you're Ugandan, and now you have to behave exactly like a German, and worship exactly like a German, and build your churches exactly like a Saxon, right?

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<v SPEAKER_1>That's absurd.

01:49:31.801 --> 01:49:34.021
<v SPEAKER_1>So, it's not a LARP.

01:49:34.021 --> 01:49:44.001
<v SPEAKER_1>What you're doing is you are acting out your faith as you have been convinced of the truth by the Book of Conqueror, which is why I recommend people read it, because, you know what, go argue with those men.

01:49:44.001 --> 01:49:45.221
<v SPEAKER_1>Don't believe me, argue with them.

01:49:46.061 --> 01:49:48.081
<v SPEAKER_1>See if what they say agrees with scripture.

01:49:48.081 --> 01:49:49.521
<v SPEAKER_1>If it doesn't, great.

01:49:50.041 --> 01:49:54.161
<v SPEAKER_1>If you don't believe it agrees, then find what you think agrees with scripture.

01:49:54.161 --> 01:49:58.001
<v SPEAKER_1>But if you believe it agrees with scripture, then become a Lutheran.

01:49:58.001 --> 01:50:10.561
<v SPEAKER_1>It may be that you have to have a home church for a period of time, and that's true in Lutheran lands, historically Lutheran lands, as well as those that have not historically had a Lutheran church, because there are so many faithless churches these days.

01:50:10.561 --> 01:50:14.881
<v SPEAKER_1>And as I've gone over before in other episodes, there's nothing wrong with having a home church.

01:50:15.521 --> 01:50:19.561
<v SPEAKER_1>A home church will many times be the best option around.

01:50:19.561 --> 01:50:21.861
<v SPEAKER_1>That's how the church started out.

01:50:21.861 --> 01:50:23.201
<v SPEAKER_1>There's nothing wrong with going back to that.

01:50:23.201 --> 01:50:24.361
<v SPEAKER_1>It's unfortunate we have to.

01:50:24.361 --> 01:50:26.861
<v SPEAKER_1>It would be better if we had the cathedrals still.

01:50:26.861 --> 01:50:32.541
<v SPEAKER_1>But until they're faithful, it's better to have a small faithful church than a large faithless one.

01:50:32.541 --> 01:50:34.741
<v SPEAKER_1>So, no, it's, in short, not larping.

01:50:34.741 --> 01:50:36.621
<v SPEAKER_1>There's nothing wrong with it.

01:50:36.621 --> 01:50:39.381
<v SPEAKER_1>Just be an Irish Lutheran.

01:50:39.381 --> 01:50:41.801
<v SPEAKER_1>I'm an American Lutheran.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Nothing inconsistent whatsoever.

01:50:46.861 --> 01:50:51.421
<v SPEAKER_1>So, I think that is it for this week.

01:50:51.421 --> 01:50:55.721
<v SPEAKER_1>I will note down any questions I did not get to.

01:50:55.721 --> 01:51:06.161
<v SPEAKER_1>And as always, if I do not get to your question, if you put something in chat or elsewhere, I believe this chat is giving me all of my messages, but it might not.

01:51:06.161 --> 01:51:08.741
<v SPEAKER_1>It's a plug-in and there's concatenation and things.

01:51:10.261 --> 01:51:19.501
<v SPEAKER_1>If I have your question, I will put it into the growing thread on Omnifora of the pending questions that I have.

01:51:19.501 --> 01:51:29.061
<v SPEAKER_1>If you do not see it there, please go ahead and submit your question on Omnifora, or you can submit it via Telegram or X.

01:51:29.061 --> 01:51:31.141
<v SPEAKER_1>I am more likely to notice it on the forum.

01:51:31.141 --> 01:51:32.981
<v SPEAKER_1>I try to get to those first.

01:51:32.981 --> 01:51:36.941
<v SPEAKER_1>That's what I went through for the first handful of questions for this episode and for previous ones as well.

01:51:37.721 --> 01:51:43.461
<v SPEAKER_1>That is the preferred way, because it is easier for me and easier for people in the future to search.

01:51:43.461 --> 01:51:47.361
<v SPEAKER_1>But that is it for this week.

01:51:47.361 --> 01:51:52.881
<v SPEAKER_1>Thank you for those who submitted the questions, and thank you for those who listened to the stream.

01:51:52.881 --> 01:51:54.681
<v SPEAKER_1>I always appreciate that.

01:51:54.681 --> 01:52:10.821
<v SPEAKER_1>And for those who listen for audio only, if you prefer audio only, or you just want it for your collection, whatever it happens to be, maybe you're a digital pack rat, if you are so inclined, the audio is put out slightly higher quality audio when the recording goes well anyway.

01:52:10.821 --> 01:52:14.761
<v SPEAKER_1>I try to put that out in the day two, three, after the episode.

01:52:14.761 --> 01:52:19.801
<v SPEAKER_1>You can subscribe to that via the RSS feed on my website, coreyjmoller.com.

01:52:19.801 --> 01:52:22.181
<v SPEAKER_1>Just click on the podcast link.

01:52:22.181 --> 01:52:24.201
<v SPEAKER_1>And that will be it for me this week.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I hope you all have a great weekend, and God bless you, and go to church on Sunday.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I will see you next week.